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Svipuls way OP - look at this video
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-06-14 14:12:21 UTC  |  Edited by: LUMINOUS SPIRIT
TL:DR - svipul in video easily tanks 2 RML caracals + other ****, proceeds to murder a gang of 5 by himself easily. This is bullcrap.


http://evenews24.com/2015/06/14/video-svipul-massacre/

I dont care what people say, a destroyer should NOT be able to tank a RLM cruiser, much less 2 cruisers + drones unloading clips into you.

In my own experience, a similar fitted svipul can easily murder a deimos, a pilgrim, can easily tank an orthrus, and generally maneuver like a boss with his 10mn afterburner.

obviously i have a svipul myself; but this is bullcrap, how do you even fight something like this 1 v 1 in a simular weight class?

The ship is ridiculously, retarderdly overpowered. With links, its radius is something like 25m, thats virtually immune to damage; even drones miss.
George Boothe
Blootered Bastards
#2 - 2015-06-14 14:23:25 UTC
Linked/Implanted billion isk svipul kills a bunch of guys who lack the skills for even t2 drones.

Could have done basically the same in almost every other linked/implanted billion isk ship.

-> I don't see a problem here.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-06-14 14:25:03 UTC  |  Edited by: LUMINOUS SPIRIT
George Boothe wrote:
Linked/Implanted billion isk svipul kills a bunch of guys who lack the skills for even t2 drones.

Could have done basically the same in almost every other linked/implanted billion isk ship.

-> I don't see a problem here.


2 RLM caracals cant break a svipul and you dont see a problem? 2 dedicated anti-tackle cruisers cannot even dent their primary target?

May i suggest a visit to optician?
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#4 - 2015-06-14 14:26:31 UTC
Whenever i see someone doing something that others think is amazing in a video, i generally cant get past how amazing it is that he found a group of people so bad to kill.

Not gonna watch the vid but a crystal set, blue pill, booster and nice faction rep would be very strong i imagine. Specially if its 10mn fit mitigating a lot of rlml damage.

Has CCP already nerfed the fitting, or is that upcoming?
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-06-14 14:28:18 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Whenever i see someone doing something that others think is amazing in a video, i generally cant get past how amazing it is that he found a group of people so bad to kill.

Not gonna watch the vid but a crystal set, blue pill, booster and nice faction rep would be very strong i imagine. Specially if its 10mn fit mitigating a lot of rlml damage.

Has CCP already nerfed the fitting, or is that upcoming?


No this is fresh, he murders a jackdaw in the vid like its nothing. While under fire from rlm caracals.
George Boothe
Blootered Bastards
#6 - 2015-06-14 14:35:02 UTC
Rlml caracals with bad skills. Missiles against oversized ab. The harby obiviously has no idea how to minimize transversal. the caracals sitting at 0 on the Svipul.

Good piloting by the svipul with links/imps/deadspace-fit against badly fit (mostly) newer players and he still had a hard time and dipped into armor.

Still looks pretty balanced to me.
Arla Sarain
#7 - 2015-06-14 15:36:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Arla Sarain
Why was the jackdaw at 4000? What?


Also 25m sigs aren't immune to damage, otherwise everyone would fly slashers.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-06-14 21:38:56 UTC
The Jackdaw better has scanned down and killed his Claymore. And a Sentinel is a nice ship, got neuted in 10s by one today in my Svipul, but with passive tank and cap-less weapons the pilot bailed when he got into armor and I lost my scram. The Svipul pilot in this video was lucky to counter a couple of not so expierienced opponents.

I'm my own NPC alt.
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#9 - 2015-06-14 22:34:56 UTC
Iyokus Patrouette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-06-14 23:19:12 UTC
Yeah i agree, OGB are OP need to be nerfed.

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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#11 - 2015-06-15 06:26:53 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
George Boothe wrote:
Linked/Implanted billion isk svipul kills a bunch of guys who lack the skills for even t2 drones.

Could have done basically the same in almost every other linked/implanted billion isk ship.

-> I don't see a problem here.


2 RLM caracals cant break a svipul and you dont see a problem? 2 dedicated anti-tackle cruisers cannot even dent their primary target?

May i suggest a visit to optician?


That's how sigtanking works. Try a linked dualrep Astero and see if it cares for two orthrus shooting it. (hint: it doesn't buckle)
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-06-15 07:13:09 UTC
Harrison Tato wrote:
https://zkillboard.com/kill/46759668/


Oh, god... that fit. That isn't a good indicator of the Svipul's capability.

That said... its a strong ship. It's not OP.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-06-15 09:27:42 UTC
The Svipul is actually really good, 400+ DPS cap-less variable damage type, cap as hell, fast as an combat interceptor, insta-warp, scan res of a frig/ceptor, overheat bonus, combat probes, good slot mix for many suitable fits ... yeah, the all-in-one perfect solo ship. Also kill rank No. 1 on zKill for good reasons. Why flying something else?

I'm my own NPC alt.
Mixery82
Friends Of Harassment
#14 - 2015-06-15 11:27:01 UTC
Yeah the Svipul is still OP but I am happy to see that the Minmartar have at least one good ship.
Tung Yoggi
University of Caille
#15 - 2015-06-15 13:55:55 UTC
Some would say the whole T3D line is disruptive to the current frigate / destroyer meta, in a bad way. Among these, the svipul is one of the best because, among other reasons, it can still fit full tank and good dps while buzzing around with an oversized AB.

However, as someone already ironically pointed out, this video is more a testimony of why offgrid boosters are bad, and I can't wait for CCP next pass on this issue. Most of the younger solo pvpers i know are currently training their own link alt to be able to survive the meta. How bad is that ? Worse than the Svipul itself, I guess.
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#16 - 2015-06-15 14:02:24 UTC
FTFY

Tung Yoggi wrote:
Everyone says the whole T3D line is crapping all over the frigate/destroyer/AF meta, and they should be banned from small plexes, but trying to convince CCP of that isn't easy.


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Mira Chieve
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#17 - 2015-06-15 17:40:46 UTC
Why bring neuts to your gang, right ?

The ship is not OP, only the enemies are incompetent. Of course, blingy active tanks rep for a LOT, but bring them under neut pressure and they are done for.

A single sentinel with a TD would crap all over that svipul. Or an arbitrator with full rack o´ neuts. But people prefer to fit Missile Launchers into utility highs -.-
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-06-15 19:29:33 UTC
Mira Chieve wrote:
Why bring neuts to your gang, right ?

The ship is not OP, only the enemies are incompetent. Of course, blingy active tanks rep for a LOT, but bring them under neut pressure and they are done for.

A single sentinel with a TD would crap all over that svipul. Or an arbitrator with full rack o´ neuts. But people prefer to fit Missile Launchers into utility highs -.-


wrong and wrong.

a svipul would rip the sentinel in about 3 seconds, cause small capless guns dont give a crap about TD or neuts, and a svipul would easily have enough cap to burn into range.

and from personal experience, a svipul can pretty much ignore neuts anyways. I lost several pilgrims to solo svipuls, and they werent even pimped or linked. You know what happens? they shoot down the drones, then proceed to murder the pilgrim with capless guns. And same thing with a deimos, even under web and scram they can easily tank a full blaster fit deimos because small sig.

1 v 1 svipul is king of the hill, linked or unlinked. And king of the hill not by a small margin, but by FAR.

Just look at recent pvp stats (zkillboard):

Svipul 11,294
Sabre 9,131
Caracal 5,195
Stiletto 5,186
Confessor 5,033
Proteus 4,624
Loki 4,616
Malediction 4,560
Jackdaw 4,509
Ishtar 4,470

everything else is in 4-5k range, svipul FAR outpaces everything else.

Checking svipuls effectiveness - 91% survival rate.

91%

9 out 10 times you go against a svipul, you die.

This sound like a normal ship to you? I use svipuls as well, for this exact reason - unkillable. But its broken. Broken as hell.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-06-15 19:34:11 UTC
The fact that i can fit a 10MN cruiser afterburner is what makes it broken i think.

I could live with svipuls if they were forced to use microwarp drive and have a sig bloom while they do so, but to have a prop mod that makes you immune to scram and a web...

The thing can fly at 2k unlinked and maintain a 25m sig radius, how broken is this.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-06-15 20:03:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Tipa Riot
You need cap to keep point/scram/web/AB/MWD running. You can still fire and have your buffer tank, but nothing else. But this reminds me to add a Nos to my fitting options instead of the neut.

I'm my own NPC alt.
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