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Guide on ingame bookmarking

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AeonOfTime
Syrkos Technologies
#1 - 2015-06-12 10:27:25 UTC  |  Edited by: AeonOfTime
After realizing how many players do not know what an undock bookmark is, I wrote up a small guide on bookmarking that delves into creating undock bookmarks, as well as docking bookmarks.

Bookmarking guide

An extension to the guide for safespot bookmarks is planned as well, which is the logical step after the docking bookmarks.

As always, input is appreciated - especially if I am talking nonsense again Big smile

UPDATE: 13.06.2015
Rewrote the section on docking bookmarks based on feedback.

Lone wolf and nomad extraordinaire. eve.aeonoftime.com

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2015-06-12 10:28:57 UTC
AeonOfTime wrote:
After realizing how many players do not know what an undock bookmark is, I wrote up a small guide on bookmarking that delves into creating undock bookmarks, as well as docking bookmarks.

Bookmarking guide

An extension to the guide for safespot bookmarks is planned as well, which is the logical step after the docking bookmarks.

As always, input is appreciated - especially if I am talking nonsense again Big smile


This would go down well in citizens q&a
AeonOfTime
Syrkos Technologies
#3 - 2015-06-12 10:38:52 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
This would go down well in citizens q&a


Ah, I had a look in the forums first to see if there was a general help/info channel but I must have overlooked that. I'll check it out and post there as well. Thanks!

Lone wolf and nomad extraordinaire. eve.aeonoftime.com

Stacy Lone
Nirakura Inc
Decisions of Truth
#4 - 2015-06-12 11:25:25 UTC
I aprreciate the effort, but some of the information in that guide is either misleading or wrong.

First of all, undoking. You have a slight window of invulnerability when undocking. If you have a proper insta-undock, you *can not* be caught on undock no matter what ship you are flying. While this part of your guide is quite good, this is worth mentioning.

Secondly, docking. This par of your guide is only half-true. Yes, it is harder to catch you when you warp in from unkown locations, but that is not the point.

The point is, NEVER warp to 0 at a station. No matter what direction you come from. The warp-in spots on some stations are severely screwed up, leading you to come out several km from the docking spots in some cases.

Instead, create a docking BM that will always land you at the station so that you can dock instantly. Using such a BM makes it irrelevant from which direction you are coming (except for 0.0 with bubbles). Before any attacker can lock you you are already in the docking procedure and invulnerable.
AeonOfTime
Syrkos Technologies
#5 - 2015-06-12 11:36:07 UTC
Stacy Lone wrote:
I aprreciate the effort, but some of the information in that guide is either misleading or wrong.

First of all, undoking. You have a slight window of invulnerability when undocking. If you have a proper insta-undock, you *can not* be caught on undock no matter what ship you are flying. While this part of your guide is quite good, this is worth mentioning.

Secondly, docking. This par of your guide is only half-true. Yes, it is harder to catch you when you warp in from unkown locations, but that is not the point.

The point is, NEVER warp to 0 at a station. No matter what direction you come from. The warp-in spots on some stations are severely screwed up, leading you to come out several km from the docking spots in some cases.

Instead, create a docking BM that will always land you at the station so that you can dock instantly. Using such a BM makes it irrelevant from which direction you are coming (except for 0.0 with bubbles). Before any attacker can lock you you are already in the docking procedure and invulnerable.


Thanks a lot for the feedback, Stacy. You're right, I'll add the period of invulnerability to the guide.

As for the docking, I learned something new. I'll test it tonight, and add some info on that as well.

I remember having to approach a station to dock after warping to 0, but I assumed it was because of the warp not being that precise. For instance, it happened more often with larger ships than small ones, and it did not happen every time. Then again it hs been some time since I had a station like that, so I'll take your word for it.

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Stacy Lone
Nirakura Inc
Decisions of Truth
#6 - 2015-06-12 12:05:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Stacy Lone
AeonOfTime wrote:

I remember having to approach a station to dock after warping to 0, but I assumed it was because of the warp not being that precise. For instance, it happened more often with larger ships than small ones, and it did not happen every time. Then again it hs been some time since I had a station like that, so I'll take your word for it.

Yes, that is part of the problem. A proper docking BM however is closer to the station then the spot that is used for the warp to zero, and will allow you to instanly dock in any ship (even freighters). This technique is also used to create cyno spots so that you can cyno to it and dock up.

getting such a BM right can be a pain in the ass, though, and is definitely more difficult then creating insta-undocks.
AeonOfTime
Syrkos Technologies
#7 - 2015-06-12 12:10:55 UTC
Stacy Lone wrote:
AeonOfTime wrote:

I remember having to approach a station to dock after warping to 0, but I assumed it was because of the warp not being that precise. For instance, it happened more often with larger ships than small ones, and it did not happen every time. Then again it hs been some time since I had a station like that, so I'll take your word for it.

Yes, that is part of the problem. A proper docking BM however is closer to the station then the spot that is used for the warp to zero, and will allow you to instanly dock in any ship (even freighters). This technique is also used to create cyno spots so that you can cyno to it and dock up.

getting such a BM right can be a pain in the ass, though, and is definitely more difficult then creating insta-undocks.


Okay, so basically you just approach the station as close as you can? That would best be done with a small ship like a frigate then, I can remember flying through and around stations in my burst when I started playing.

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Stacy Lone
Nirakura Inc
Decisions of Truth
#8 - 2015-06-12 12:15:05 UTC
I mostly warp to zero, then approach the station, then wait a few seconds after the distance goes to 0, then create the BM. Then I undock and verify that it works as expected by warping to it several times.
AeonOfTime
Syrkos Technologies
#9 - 2015-06-12 12:18:30 UTC
Stacy Lone wrote:
I mostly warp to zero, then approach the station, then wait a few seconds after the distance goes to 0, then create the BM. Then I undock and verify that it works as expected by warping to it several times.


Okay, thanks a bundle - I'll try that tonight and add it to the guide :)

I already added the invulnerability bit.

Lone wolf and nomad extraordinaire. eve.aeonoftime.com

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#10 - 2015-06-12 12:34:43 UTC
Furthermore, if your destination is set to the station with this bookmark you can activate your autopilot mid warp to the bookmark and it will send the docking requests either on or after the server tic you exit warp, this is much faster than actually clicking dock yourself.
Dungheap
DHCOx
#11 - 2015-06-12 20:02:31 UTC
many stations have their undock directly aligned to a celestial object . these can save a lot of time and give you far more range to make your bookmark . for the 4-4 navy station in jita , it's P4M1 .

i don't like your advice for docking bookmark ; bouncing off a planet gives hostiles more time to prepare for you coming on the station grid . a fast-locking ship that can cover the whole docking ring can still pop you regardless of where you land on the station .

this is how to make and use so-called 'invulna-dock' bookmarks :

make a bookmark inside the station perimeter; fly underneath in a shuttle and tuck yourself up tight into the superstructure , make your bookmark . to use the bookmark , click on the station , so it's in your selected items box . use your dock bookmark , and quickly click the 'dock' icon in selected items box . you will get 'you cannot do that while warping' error message . done correctly , your docking command is loaded , and you become invulnerable and begin docking as soon as you exit warp . if you wait too long , you'll get "you are in a warp" error message , and must click dock again when you come out of warp .

thanks for taking the time to make a guide ; could you add a part on how to auto-warp your pod ? for the noobs of course :)

Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-06-12 20:12:38 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Furthermore, if your destination is set to the station with this bookmark you can activate your autopilot mid warp to the bookmark and it will send the docking requests either on or after the server tic you exit warp, this is much faster than actually clicking dock yourself.
True but you have 10 seconds of invulnerability after exiting warp, so you can take your time and tease the wannabe instalockers.

You break your invulnerability the moment you click 'dock', but then you dock :) so you're safe.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#13 - 2015-06-12 20:24:08 UTC
Its just a little thing I like to do, but I like to name my Insta-Undocks and Insta-docks with "*" as in "***Insta-Undock***" and "**Insta-Dock**". That way, the undock and docking bookmarks appear as the first and second thing on the right-click menu.




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Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#14 - 2015-06-13 00:54:54 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Its just a little thing I like to do, but I like to name my Insta-Undocks and Insta-docks with "*" as in "***Insta-Undock***" and "**Insta-Dock**". That way, the undock and docking bookmarks appear as the first and second thing on the right-click menu.
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Exotic Matters
Fried Liver Attack
#15 - 2015-06-13 01:04:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Exotic Matters
I would care to differ with the person who said insta-undocks always work. I have on more than one occasion undocked and ran into another ship, knocking me out of alignment before I could warp. This usually happens with a faster ship like a BR that overtakes and runs into a freighter. Perhaps sometimes someone is sitting on the undock for just this purpose, IDK, luckily I've never been attacked during this moment of vulnerability.

Another thing I saw in that guide is it forgot to mention that you can make a bookmark by pressing Control+B in space, you don't have to open any other windows.

Now if I could just figure out an easy way to name tactical bookmarks off of gates and stations that I could easily know/remember where they are when I am offgrid.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#16 - 2015-06-13 02:40:40 UTC
Exotic Matters wrote:
Now if I could just figure out an easy way to name tactical bookmarks off of gates and stations that I could easily know/remember where they are when I am offgrid.

This still works well for that:

http://www.evealtruist.com/2011/04/bookmarks-and-you.html
Le Moineau
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2015-06-13 10:01:45 UTC
One thing I do is vary the distances I make my insta undock BMs.

For example most of my undock Bms are at 300 km or better. I have seen scan ships and gank ships out at 150 km waiting for ships to insta undock.
Faenir Antollare
For Ever And Ever
#18 - 2015-06-13 11:06:16 UTC
The very best advice out there for your personal bookmarks is to have a naming convention that is both easily and instantly understandable the moment that you use your right click contextual menu.
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Nevil Oscillator
#19 - 2015-06-13 14:17:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Nevil Oscillator
Is there not a slight variation with the angle with which a ship undocks each time, hence the error in location position ?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#20 - 2015-06-13 15:02:11 UTC
Nevil Oscillator wrote:
Is there not a slight variation with the angle with which a ship undocks each time, hence the error in location position ?

there is but you only begin to drift after a couple of seconds.

when you load grid you are pointed in the "true" straight line, you can ctrl-space to stop then set full speed and you get the perfect line
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