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Apparently it is OK to reuse skins of unique ships

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Solairen
Matsuko Holding
#141 - 2015-06-10 23:45:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Solairen
Gregor Parud wrote:
GankYou wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:
I don't know what is worse. If the fact an incredibly ellusive special edition ship was given out only to a RMT 3rd party or that one of the owners of that ship is complaining that people will be able to fly ships that "look" like it.


I'm sure you can back that up with some facts etc, right?


The 45 Trillion ISK repossessions by CCP happened just for luls in August of 2014-YC116? Smile


Oh doh, I thought he meant Entity.


Nah he was referring to Somer. Basically there was a special Somer auction for 4 SER hulls (5 but one winner took a diff prize).

So only 4 people got these hulls, they have different/better stats. Most players don't know they exist.

Somer was shut down later last year, with Forums speculation ranging from RMT to disclosure of Comms, to rigging. I honestly don't know if it was ever actually mentioned. I have no idea myself no do i care to speculate.

So in summary:
1 person is upset that a skin is being released to match a ship he owns
in appearance only,
and his ship has better stats,
questionably never undocks anyway since he is a collector,
doesn't actually affect his collection since hull is still different,
that few players know exist,
and was awarded from a questionable gambling site,
with no promise of exclusivity or limited nature (just that at that time they would only seed winners).
TERRIBLESPACEWARRIOR
Coop Of Ultimate Milk Dairy Und Meat Producers
#142 - 2015-06-11 00:13:07 UTC
You sound like the crying 1% demanding that your shiny precious remain only yours. Guess what, I'm pretty sure the actual masses may have a bit more say than one crying rich man having a fit over his lost imaginary space wealth.
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
#143 - 2015-06-11 01:09:53 UTC
Anybody saying that the looks of the Stratios emergency arent what makes the Ship is delusional. Re releasing these ships as skins is going to hit their value by quite a bit. But if were going down this road why not release gold and silver Magnate skins as looks dont matter at all and maybe Moracha/Chremoas skins aswell, I really like the look of these two.

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#144 - 2015-06-11 01:19:48 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Anybody saying that the looks of the Stratios emergency arent what makes the Ship is delusional. Re releasing these ships as skins is going to hit their value by quite a bit. But if were going down this road why not release gold and silver Magnate skins as looks dont matter at all and maybe Moracha/Chremoas skins aswell, I really like the look of these two.
I need a blood red Cyclone and to name it, "Time of the month" Twisted

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Dyscordia
Super Elite Friendship Club
#145 - 2015-06-11 05:16:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Dyscordia
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Anybody saying that the looks of the Stratios emergency arent what makes the Ship is delusional. Re releasing these ships as skins is going to hit their value by quite a bit. But if were going down this road why not release gold and silver Magnate skins as looks dont matter at all and maybe Moracha/Chremoas skins aswell, I really like the look of these two.


If I sell a cheap Picasso print for 50 dollars that does not mean the original Picasso will go down in value by 50 million dollars. To say that there isn't going to be a buyer for asking price tomorrow if the variant hull is actually put on market is naive or disingenuous. There is probably a very small pool of players who can afford the asking price to begin - and those folks would jump at a chance to own a ship with 3 or 4 hulls in existence.
Wendrika Hydreiga
#146 - 2015-06-11 11:23:52 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:

Oh doh, I thought he meant Entity.


I have the upmost respect for Entitty and his incredible ship collection. And my knowledge of what happened with Somer is almost nonexistant, apart from the fact they were given SER Stratios. Because of reasons.

But Entity's 1% attitude regarding SKINS is just not cool.
Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
#147 - 2015-06-11 12:10:34 UTC
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:

Oh doh, I thought he meant Entity.


I have the upmost respect for Entitty and his incredible ship collection. And my knowledge of what happened with Somer is almost nonexistant, apart from the fact they were given SER Stratios. Because of reasons.

But Entity's 1% attitude regarding SKINS is just not cool.


It has little to do with 1% and everything to do with the fact it's cheap and lazy to copy an existing skin, of a unique ship no less.

There's 2 problems with this:
- Clearly everyone who is saying looks aren't important are forgetting that they're apparently important enough for CCP to charge you for them.
- If CCP isn't committed to maintaining the integrity of unique content, then they shouldn't release unique content. What's next? A ship with the same stats as a unique? "Oh but it has a different name so it's ok, your ship is still special". Yeah whatever Roll

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Dyscordia
Super Elite Friendship Club
#148 - 2015-06-11 14:23:39 UTC
Entity wrote:
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:

Oh doh, I thought he meant Entity.


I have the upmost respect for Entitty and his incredible ship collection. And my knowledge of what happened with Somer is almost nonexistant, apart from the fact they were given SER Stratios. Because of reasons.

But Entity's 1% attitude regarding SKINS is just not cool.


It has little to do with 1% and everything to do with the fact it's cheap and lazy to copy an existing skin, of a unique ship no less.

There's 2 problems with this:
- Clearly everyone who is saying looks aren't important are forgetting that they're apparently important enough for CCP to charge you for them.
- If CCP isn't committed to maintaining the integrity of unique content, then they shouldn't release unique content. What's next? A ship with the same stats as a unique? "Oh but it has a different name so it's ok, your ship is still special". Yeah whatever Roll


Your ship is still unique. No matter how hard I try, I will always only be able to launch 4 Sentries. If you care to undock your ship, you will be able to launch 5. Ship remains unique.
Agata Matahari
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#149 - 2015-06-11 15:14:28 UTC
Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
#150 - 2015-06-11 15:27:45 UTC


Damn, I was hoping my mom wouldn't post that video.

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Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#151 - 2015-06-11 15:40:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Nami Kumamato
Entity wrote:
Really?

So you hand out unique ships as event reward and then just go "lol we'll reuse this skin because only a handful of people have it anyway. We don't care about upsetting customers that obtained those ships, we just care about getting a few more bucks from skins"

Thanks, CCP. Thanks a lot.

I guess I can look forward to seeing the skins of all the unique ships I have in the NEX store.

Seriously though, the visual identity of these ships is part of what makes them unique. I think it's a bad call to reuse those skins. It's not good for the game in the long run.


Yours is a Stratios Emergency Responder.
Mine is a Stratios with a coat of paint on.
Yours can launch 5 sentries.
Mine can launch 4 sentries.

Result: Yours is still an unique snowflake.

Fornicate The Constabulary !

Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#152 - 2015-06-11 15:46:45 UTC
Entity wrote:
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:

Oh doh, I thought he meant Entity.


I have the upmost respect for Entitty and his incredible ship collection. And my knowledge of what happened with Somer is almost nonexistant, apart from the fact they were given SER Stratios. Because of reasons.

But Entity's 1% attitude regarding SKINS is just not cool.


It has little to do with 1% and everything to do with the fact it's cheap and lazy to copy an existing skin, of a unique ship no less.


So, SKINs are currently taken from corporations belonging to a faction. The basic hulls already fly the colors of the Sisters of EVE. You want to say that CCP are being "lazy" for offering the colors of The Sanctuary, the only other corporation that is (openly) affiliated with the faction.

What else should they do? Conjure up another SoE corp just to please you? Blow the cover of one of their seekrit corps just to please you? Pull the SKIN just to please you?

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!

Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#153 - 2015-06-11 17:51:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Entity wrote:
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:

Oh doh, I thought he meant Entity.


I have the upmost respect for Entitty and his incredible ship collection. And my knowledge of what happened with Somer is almost nonexistant, apart from the fact they were given SER Stratios. Because of reasons.

But Entity's 1% attitude regarding SKINS is just not cool.


It has little to do with 1% and everything to do with the fact it's cheap and lazy to copy an existing skin, of a unique ship no less.


So, SKINs are currently taken from corporations belonging to a faction. The basic hulls already fly the colors of the Sisters of EVE. You want to say that CCP are being "lazy" for offering the colors of The Sanctuary, the only other corporation that is (openly) affiliated with the faction.

What else should they do? Conjure up another SoE corp just to please you? Blow the cover of one of their seekrit corps just to please you? Pull the SKIN just to please you?



Hey how about starting with inverting the colours, wow that took 10 seconds of my time to think up, maybe professional designers who get paid all day to think of these things could do better, rather that what they did do; nothing at all.
Arec Bardwin
#154 - 2015-06-11 18:36:14 UTC
I totally feel your pain Entity. Oh wait, that's just my hemorrhoids acting up!

On a serious note; this is why I never buy expensive collectibles ingame. CCP may ruin the value of them on a whim.
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#155 - 2015-06-11 18:36:19 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Hey how about starting with inverting the colours, wow that took 10 seconds of my time to think up, maybe professional designers who get paid all day to think of these things could do better, rather that what they did do; nothing at all.


OK, so you're in the "make up a new corp just to please a few people" camp. You just gloss over the part where it's not just the available colors that define the livery. The US flag is not the French flag.

Noted.

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!

Khanid Voltar
#156 - 2015-06-11 18:45:07 UTC
Entity wrote:
It's not good for the game in the long run.


You mean its not good for the value of your collection.

Which I would agree with, if it were not for the fact that a number of your items were gifted to you (for free) by other players.

Like someone else said it is just a skin. It isn't as if skins come with extra ship bonuses.

Deal with it
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#157 - 2015-06-11 18:59:46 UTC
Arec Bardwin wrote:
I totally feel your pain Entity. Oh wait, that's just my hemorrhoids acting up!

On a serious note; this is why I never buy expensive collectibles ingame. CCP may ruin the value of them on a whim.

I'd be more worried about their value being reduced if we saw another 125mbit band/500m^3 Drone Bay stratios variant rather than just a paint job.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#158 - 2015-06-11 19:33:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Noted.


Oh no, please, no unnecessary filing work on my account.

Nami Kumamato wrote:
Yours is a Stratios Emergency Responder.
Mine is a Stratios with a coat of paint on.
Yours can launch 5 sentries.
Mine can launch 4 sentries.

Result: Yours is still an unique snowflake.


Sure. This is about the stats.

Any other trite, irrelevant points people would like to make? Perhaps "CCP IS IN BUSINESS TO MAKE MONEY", we haven't heard that one in literally pages.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2015-06-11 19:49:04 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Nami Kumamato wrote:
Yours is a Stratios Emergency Responder.
Mine is a Stratios with a coat of paint on.
Yours can launch 5 sentries.
Mine can launch 4 sentries.

Result: Yours is still an unique snowflake.


Sure. This is about the stats.

Any other trite, irrelevant points people would like to make? Perhaps "CCP IS IN BUSINESS TO MAKE MONEY", we haven't heard that one in literally pages.

So the fact that the ship remains distinct in a far more meaningful way than its skin is somehow irrelevant to the uniqueness of the ship and its value?

Do you honestly think the paint job alone constituted the bulk of the draw here without the stats, name or scarcity on top of having to chose between use and transferability/collection of the item?
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#160 - 2015-06-11 20:40:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Nami Kumamato wrote:
Yours is a Stratios Emergency Responder.
Mine is a Stratios with a coat of paint on.
Yours can launch 5 sentries.
Mine can launch 4 sentries.

Result: Yours is still an unique snowflake.


Sure. This is about the stats.

Any other trite, irrelevant points people would like to make? Perhaps "CCP IS IN BUSINESS TO MAKE MONEY", we haven't heard that one in literally pages.

So the fact that the ship remains distinct in a far more meaningful way than its skin is somehow irrelevant to the uniqueness of the ship and its value?

Do you honestly think the paint job alone constituted the bulk of the draw here without the stats, name or scarcity on top of having to chose between use and transferability/collection of the item?


Paint jobs constituting a draw is the entire basis of the skins feature. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, he has a right to complain. You can't have it both ways. Well you can if you're one of those "he's rich, stick it to him" types, I guess...