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Carriers cuz why not

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Grinder2210
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-06-11 17:08:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Grinder2210
Dear CCP


Please let carriers and dreads back in High Sec Smile

Just saying you guys said you were going to make carriers useful again At fan fest 2015

I think everyone could find some great uses for carriers in High sec and well you know we have all the extra pos's now there that could use some dreads to help free moons for other players

Feel free to sign this petition Smile


P.S. Roll i would really enjoy killing one with my tristan
Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2015-06-11 17:15:41 UTC
Roll

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3 - 2015-06-11 17:28:21 UTC
No.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#4 - 2015-06-11 17:29:02 UTC
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#5 - 2015-06-11 17:36:07 UTC
no, just because you want to kill one in a frig...which would basically be a pilot wanting to commit suicide anyways isn't a reason.

the problem to capitals coming into high sec is high sec would become alliance layover stations to stage their capital fleets for those near empire borders keeping capitals nice and safe so they can jump back out when 1 of their systems are intact.

while there are already rules put in place for the capitals still in high sec from the time they were made that lead to permaban under any combat use, they would need to supply a game mechanic to keep weapons disabled in highsec or we are going to see full on alliance wars come to highsec or greif the small entities with the capital fleets if rules aren't in place.

the only thing I can see them doing is stationing in highsec for safety and cargo pickups, let them convoy through empire when they need to go to the other side of the galaxy because jump fatigue/lack of jump range

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#6 - 2015-06-11 17:45:03 UTC
Nope.

You think wars, station games, RR-shenanigans, and dishonored duels are bad? Wait until captials arrive.
Part of the reason they are (sort of) balanced in low and null-sec is because anyone and everyone (even a scrub nubbin) can pin and attack them (or ask some randoms to attack them) without having to consider too many arbitrary aggression mechanics.

Oh yeah... and also consider that Jump Freighters (and possibly even Freighters) will be obsolete when you can easily move ships and ammo around in super-tanked carriers and Rorquals.
(hint: it takes 70+ Talos to suicide gank a "lightly tanked" Thanatos in 0.5 space)


Also... IIRC... captials were never "allowed" in high-sec. It was an oversight on the part of the DEVs that allowed their production in high-sec... which was quickly patched out and resulted in draconian rules regarding what you can and cannot do with high-sec capitals (no combat allowed, not even PvE combat... can't undock in wars... cannot assist anyone... cannot take action against anyone... it is only for "eye candy").

How did you Veterans start?
Grinder2210
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-06-11 17:48:25 UTC
Agondray wrote:
no, just because you want to kill one in a frig...which would basically be a pilot wanting to commit suicide anyways isn't a reason.

the problem to capitals coming into high sec is high sec would become alliance layover stations to stage their capital fleets for those near empire borders keeping capitals nice and safe so they can jump back out when 1 of their systems are intact.

while there are already rules put in place for the capitals still in high sec from the time they were made that lead to permaban under any combat use, they would need to supply a game mechanic to keep weapons disabled in highsec or we are going to see full on alliance wars come to highsec or greif the small entities with the capital fleets if rules aren't in place.

the only thing I can see them doing is stationing in highsec for safety and cargo pickups, let them convoy through empire when they need to go to the other side of the galaxy because jump fatigue/lack of jump range




Not really so hard to fix .... your thinking is so falt

Becasue null sec bla bla some old story ... It would take a ccp devs less than 20 sec's to make carriers and dreads unable to sino out of highsec Fixing 90% of the issues you just brought up
Further more carriers and dreads can both dock makeing it possable to stock pile your fleet in any NPC station both in low and null sec

War is war press the botten pay a few 100m isk i see no issues with alliances haveing capital battles on Jita on the 44 undock in fact it would Add content


Personally i dont care if they sino out form HS or not All you would have to do is allow the other guys to sino in so they could kill them there aswell
Juan Diolosa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-06-11 17:58:17 UTC
No.

You have a ****** up sense of how Eve works.

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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#9 - 2015-06-11 18:06:17 UTC
Ok, people, so if capitals are to be forever forbinnen in Highsec, how about changing the Pos mechanic so it will gruadually erode, within few months to 1 hp, while being offline. Not removed from space but erode like a fallen tree stump. This way, battleships and even frigates could remove it from the space. The decay would start after one month and span two months.

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Grinder2210
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-06-11 18:06:19 UTC
Juan Diolosa wrote:
No.

You have a ****** up sense of how Eve works.




I do Smile I enjoy my ****** up sense of eve very much Roll And i only wish everyone could find as much enjoyment from this game as i do Big smile
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-06-11 18:10:37 UTC
People seem to do POS removal in highsec just fine without capitals.
Grinder2210
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-06-11 18:11:56 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Nope.

You think wars, station games, RR-shenanigans, and dishonored duels are bad? Wait until captials arrive.
Part of the reason they are (sort of) balanced in low and null-sec is because anyone and everyone (even a scrub nubbin) can pin and attack them (or ask some randoms to attack them) without having to consider too many arbitrary aggression mechanics.

Oh yeah... and also consider that Jump Freighters (and possibly even Freighters) will be obsolete when you can easily move ships and ammo around in super-tanked carriers and Rorquals.
(hint: it takes 70+ Talos to suicide gank a "lightly tanked" Thanatos in 0.5 space)


Also... IIRC... captials were never "allowed" in high-sec. It was an oversight on the part of the DEVs that allowed their production in high-sec... which was quickly patched out and resulted in draconian rules regarding what you can and cannot do with high-sec capitals (no combat allowed, not even PvE combat... can't undock in wars... cannot assist anyone... cannot take action against anyone... it is only for "eye candy").


I have no problem with wars station games and RR-shenanigans or dishonored duels .. THIS IS EVE after all Big smile Honestly they all seem like viable Tatics that would add content to the game as a hole not the tatics themselfs but the Counter tatics you would use to Stop them

If you lose you thanatos to a suicide gank well thats on you the pilot i only wish more people were loseing Thanatos that way and i dont for a sec see a issue with it

( all the things they cant do can be quickly change ) were talking about makeing them more useful after
Grinder2210
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2015-06-11 18:15:05 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
People seem to do POS removal in highsec just fine without capitals.




True Dreads would only make it quicker easyers and allow for more Dread kills by people defanding there pos's Again adding content to the game as a hole

Becasue Pos's owners would need to protect themselfs Unlike the current 1000 ecm mod set ups you see atm
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2015-06-11 18:16:14 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
Ok, people, so if capitals are to be forever forbinnen in Highsec, how about changing the Pos mechanic so it will gruadually erode, within few months to 1 hp, while being offline. Not removed from space but erode like a fallen tree stump. This way, battleships and even frigates could remove it from the space. The decay would start after one month and span two months.


Smack said pos with a cap stable laserboat. No reloading, no cost, no hassle.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#15 - 2015-06-11 18:21:46 UTC
leave hisec dude.

much easier for all of us. What?

Just Add Water
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#16 - 2015-06-11 19:19:51 UTC
Grinder2210 wrote:
Agondray wrote:
no, just because you want to kill one in a frig...which would basically be a pilot wanting to commit suicide anyways isn't a reason.

the problem to capitals coming into high sec is high sec would become alliance layover stations to stage their capital fleets for those near empire borders keeping capitals nice and safe so they can jump back out when 1 of their systems are intact.

while there are already rules put in place for the capitals still in high sec from the time they were made that lead to permaban under any combat use, they would need to supply a game mechanic to keep weapons disabled in highsec or we are going to see full on alliance wars come to highsec or greif the small entities with the capital fleets if rules aren't in place.

the only thing I can see them doing is stationing in highsec for safety and cargo pickups, let them convoy through empire when they need to go to the other side of the galaxy because jump fatigue/lack of jump range




Not really so hard to fix .... your thinking is so falt

Becasue null sec bla bla some old story ... It would take a ccp devs less than 20 sec's to make carriers and dreads unable to sino out of highsec Fixing 90% of the issues you just brought up
Further more carriers and dreads can both dock makeing it possable to stock pile your fleet in any NPC station both in low and null sec

War is war press the botten pay a few 100m isk i see no issues with alliances haveing capital battles on Jita on the 44 undock in fact it would Add content


Personally i dont care if they sino out form HS or not All you would have to do is allow the other guys to sino in so they could kill them there aswell



You are just going to have to leave the Simela SOE Acadamy docking ring someday if you want to hunt carriers dude. I did it with Bombers Bar. Lots of fun.
Grinder2210
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-06-11 19:45:25 UTC

I left arnon about 2 years after CCP made it a rookie system ... And not without a fight i may add

You dont have to like me lol i can play my way you play yours

Carriers with some slight changes could be a great thing to have in HighSec Esp whan you consider the ever growing number of titans and supers out there and limitations placed apon Carriers and dreads currently
Grinder2210
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-06-11 20:00:36 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
leave hisec dude.

much easier for all of us. What?



Now why would i even consider makeing life easy for you
Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#19 - 2015-06-11 20:17:16 UTC
CCP has hinted at allowing Caps back into high sec though, although of course never giving a hint as to which caps will be allowed

1) it will be the Rorqual
2) I think it will be carriers to a certain extent if at all ( for incursions/FW)

you can forget having dreads back in.. only Chribba is allowed that one he's the reason they're considering removing the ban.. but just wait there's more!


the fact being once and if they do allow caps back into HS (yes there were once allowed).. the moment someone ganks or begins acting a fool getting all aggressive with it (as usual).. then it'll get banned once again

basically besides Chribba , you have too many griefers and trolls in the high sec community and CCP is straight up going to hold back allowing HS caps due to it.

you don't act right.. you get fed rations

now deal with it.

you want to rat in caps I get what you're coming at.. but nope.. that's what null sec and wh space is for.

I do not want to be a thanatos running a lvl 4 mission..

and that is all
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ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#20 - 2015-06-11 20:17:40 UTC
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