EVE General Discussion

Admittedly I am in need of a shave.


BTW I've been playing just short of 9 years and I have only experienced at best 30 percent of the content.

Look, during my limited time back, I didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but maybe we shouldn't proclaim that we are the game's content too loudly or proudly.

I mean, right now, just about two thirds of the server on average are actively choosing to partake in CCP's hisec activities, not to mention how many people are avoiding our "content" in order to do those things in null and low-sec. In fact, CCP's having so much trouble with how poor our "content" is that they're actively having trouble retaining people and making them interact with us. Even the beginning player guides spend a lot of time teaching new players how best to avoid us.

It's hard to blame people who feel like the game lacks content if our content is presently best enjoyed by avoiding it. I mean, I don't doubt that players form the core endgame content, but if anything, that's proven to be as much help as hindrance in the best of times.

All I'm saying is that, even if it was a good idea before, it might not be such a good idea right now for us to be the sole game content, especially so pervasively. I suppose we can say whatever bad things we want about the people who left or the games they're playing now, but right now, in this game, we are admitting (and CCP are making their best attempts to mitigate) that our content kind of sucks. If it didn't, CCP wouldn't have to work so hard getting the majority of its game's players to go enjoy it. If we were that great as content, we wouldn't be so much of a problem.

I mean, no disrespect or derision to anyone here; we're all apparently part of the problem. Maybe a drastic rethink of how the game is organized and the breadth of players we want it to appeal to is in order unless we don't mind if the game dies/goes F2P/other myriad bad things. If this continues and we aren't delineating what will happen, CCP will do what they need to do without our input.

I just don't see why we're so ready to all fall on our swords here rather than see the game expand to a wider breadth of content. It's a very conservative approach to say that anything different than what we have now is impossible to do without the breakdown of society, one I'm not sure I can agree with.

I mean, this is EVE. Technically, the game can make anything appear from out of nowhere given the way the engine works. It's really a staggeringly limited game considering what it should be theoretically capable of. Which was fine while the limited approach was filtering out enough mold-fitting players from the hisec farm system. I don't that the game should exsanguinate now that it isn't.

I mean, content people feel is best avoided might as well not be there in game terms. Sure, there will always be people complaining about boredom and ignoring the content we're made, but when even the greater part of the game's population are actively choosing to fly in the space we have the least impact in, that does speak to us not being nearly compelling enough to carry the game anymore.

Again, no disrespect or insult intended here, just observations based on what I've read here.

No new content!? CCP have merged a FPS with a Space Sim / RTS or however you wish to label Eve. Dust 512 blows your argument completely out the water.

I am sorry, did you just call Commodore 64 crap?!

EVE has been a PVP game since day 1. People who prefer PVE have zero business stating EVE has no content, you just prefer to avoid the biggest content providing activity in the game. You speak of casual players, it's the hardcore players who keep this game going.

You can't seriously believe this game is focused on pvp AND be part of one of the largest care bear coalitions in game.

If PVP was the focus, you wouldn't have alliances, let alone standings.

It's more of a social game with a great story and shines ships.

I'd go so far as to say the majority of pvp that occurs in game is purely accidental. Like Titans jumping when they should have bridged.

So, if you want pvp in the game, you really shouldn't be playing one with 50+ options to "not screw your neighbor".

It's social play. If that's become boring, make some different friends.

Oh man my memory goes even way beoynd Amiga and Atari...

I remember pigs dropping in a balloon, and a wolf in a basket on left side of the screen got to shoot them down... And i remember different kind of "simulators" that were a plane/ship from above... Oh well, later there were this "1942" WW2 flight sim about pacific war (wish i could find it to test my skills again), from cockpit...
But yeah, that too is Amiga/Atari stuff. Anything before them were just horrible if you leave out nostalgia.

What I wanna say kids... All here should concider themselves lucky to have games like EvE.

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Yes, but this isn't good enough anymore (there are grounds to say it never WAS good enough; that it's only now that volume has become a problem but EVE could have been much bigger even than it was). Why should it be that only the hardcore PVP players should be the ones CCP has an expressed interest in retaining? Why can't casual, or even PVE, players have something to do in EVE?

I mean, right now, you're absolutely right about PVE players avoiding the player content, but that sounds more like a major design flaw than a merit. I mean, if the players are avoiding the "biggest content in the game", and I've got no reason to say otherwise with almost two thirds of the current playerbase in hisec on any given day, then it seems like the biggest content of the game is also not really pulling its weight.

I mean, if it was different, wouldn't hisec be a ghost town? Or, at the very least, wouldn't it be a somewhat more equivalent margin? It seems like a lot of people share your sentiment and figure that they should just leave. I can't figure out where that's a positive for the game, community, or company. I think it's even up in the air whether the hardcore players keep the game afloat any more than casual players do, to be honest, and I certainly can't say that's a positive for the company. If a hardcore player has eight accounts, but you lose ten casual PVE players because they, as you very explicitly put, don't have content, the game has lost money. Not to mention people which, in any capacity, are right now the "biggest content of the game". Wanting to see them out when players are meant to be the game's lifeline seems a somewhat Sisyphean endeavor.

It isn't like the state of PVP is going to get better and better with development (by all accounts, a lot of the improvements weren't very well received anyway) and the game isn't going to draw any real volume of new players if they continue to calcify. Further development trying to continue a path that isn't helping the game at all seems like a waste of time. [/quote]

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How many of those hisec accounts logged in are alts of nullsecers/lowsecers doing logistics and other things? I'd rather EVE just die off before conforming the wishes of the theme park fans.Once FozzieSov hits and the amount of small/mid size pvp picks up in nullsec, I will have to say that the pvp content will be just fine. You say maybe its a design flaw that the majority of PVE players avoid pvp? Please, it has much more to do with them wanting to live in their vacuum of pve "content" and avoid the fact that EVE is a very social game where the players make the majority of the content.

I had as a ED backer original Elite into my PC, from 1984. Have even not touched it.

I played Elite 2 and 3 (FFE) way more than my young brains should have at 90´s, but...

I just can´t even open that "thing" i have seen pictures off, white lines in black backround...

Yeah, first 3D game (even with some kind of markets), but... sry, meh, no.

Life in EvE just seems so different in Providence compared to Fountain.