EVE General Discussion

As someone who started after Incana, I've only a recent perspective, but I get the impression that WiS should not come before the focus of this game which involves spaceship in space.

It's ok for WiS to be somewhere on a wishlist but I see (from discussions on the forums) that there are other more serious issues.

I don't think many are necessarily against WiS, just the idea of devoting that much time away from the "in-space" content. CCP tried that before and were pretty roughly chastised by the player-base for it, though people were already pissed for various other reasons by that point as well. I'm not all surprised if CCP were reluctant to even think about WiS, even now or anytime soon.

There is room in eve for WiS, or avatar game play. But to be 100% honest, i am not sure what ccp is doing in way of direction. they keep flip flopping. in 2013 it was EVE everywhere! in 2014 it was Eve on PC all game playing together eventually! in 2015 it was, yea lets be stupid cautions and only show what we can deliver this year... oh and btw here are some random bits we are working on vr, which is kinda outside of new eden.. except nemesis which is an eve shooter.. but contrary to last year, this won;t be on pc.

I got the feeling that at fan fest 15 ccp had made a hefty promise at 14, jumped the gun on legion and decided to pull WAY back and go slow.


My honest hope is eve vegas and fan fest 16 set a good ground work for whatever the hell ccp as a companies future plans and goals are, cause this confusing crap needs to stop.

Then they can bring in avatar play, but it needs a place and a way to play, so first ccp needs to get a goal and stick to it damn it,

The direction eve seems to be going i'm good with. I just really want a company goal that we as players can follow and go 'oh thats where that might fit' when they talk about new games. CCP needs to stop biting off more then they can chew and be sure they have a CLEAR direction as a company.

There is a reason for this. CCP did not have a clear director for WoD, and kept changing the damn thing. Same with incarnia. Ambulation in 2007 was AMAZING, then somewhere along the way ccp said 'naw thats stupid lets go this really ****** way instead' Its mostly about no real direction, just pie in the sky ideas, that are poorly executed. Dust had this huge ambition. but we got.. crap. CCP forgot the important thing... us. Dust might be profitable, but it failed. and contrary to popular belief no, it did not fail because it 'was not on pc' Dust failed because ccp forget the most important thing. US. The eve community. We needed a reason to give a **** about dust, and we didn;t have one. If we HAD we would of done more to bridge the gap and make it fun for dust bunnies. And i think this is something ccp learned about Valkyrie. When you let eve players use it, try it, and give you feed back, we start to care about it. If you make the eve community really care about the product, then it will be successful.


WiS failed, not because of just incarnia, bu the other issues hitting ALL at once. CCP lost its way a long time ago, got bogged down in becoming bigger then they were. forgot about us, and ****** up. I see that ccp is remembering without there players caring, anything in the eve universe will fail.

And they really need to sotp biting off more then they can chew and focus.

Would very much like to see WIS, but i most likely never will.

Maybe far far in the future.. Maybe

The fact is, CCP took their best shot (personally, I would argue they took their second best shot, Ambulation was far closer to what we had asked for than the abortion that was Incarna), and they fumbled it so badly, that ultimately scrapping the whole thing and starting from scratch would have to be a serious consideration in the best way to develop avatar play.

Ultimately we aren't opposed to the [bi]vision[/i], but we have serious, well founded and supported by ample evidence, belief that CCP is physically and mentally unable to deliver. And last time, the attempt was such an embarrassment to CCP, and so detrimental to the game as it stands, that a second attempt can not even be contemplated without serious and sincere reassurance that the game wont be allowed to grow mouldy in the corner again while they make the attempt. The game survived WiS, and some would argue that in the end we profitted from it, since the violence of the backlash drove CCP out of the melaise of half-baked features and in to repairing and improving the games core. But a repeat performance might drive the stake in for good.

The second problem is that the dream has long outstretched any sensible possibility (ask anyone what they think WiS should include and you'll get a list of insane in-the-sky features), such that the only result of any attempt will be another round of crushing disappointment. Add to the fact that any attempt at a multiplayer WiS probably means the entire avatar system has to be rebuilt from the ground up (we still, in all these years have seen no evidence that the current avatar system wouldn't collapse and meltdown utterly with multiple characters operating in the same instance), which risks alienating those members of the community who are satisfied and enjoy the current avatars and clothing.

And finally, the arguement for WiS has always proclaimed "But Star Citizen and other games will have Avatars". Well, there is no prize in this competition for second place. Devoting money and dev time in to becoming "also has avatars, but not as good as" is no improvement. Better CCP focus on EvE's strengths, and what draws players to it, and ensure those players are happy and staying around, than cater to the audience of another game that does that feature better, and gain nothing from the effort.

Hijacking thread here ::

Since it is agreed that WiS is dead, may I ask if there is anyone (apart from trolls) who can find merit in its first iteration, CQ.

Does this add anything to EvE ?

I can't myself, think of anything, and I think that CSM ought to look at asking EvE to decommission it, thereby releasing the additional resources tied into CQ for a more useful prupose -- perhaps the reduction of HiSec to noob systems, and a trade hub or two, to allow for a more open relationship between predator and prey, or the abandonment, little by little, of CONCORD activity, as the Empires turn to deal with the Sleeper menace.

I wonder if anyone would notice if the CQ button/link disappeared all of a sudden =)

IBL... really this thread topic keeps getting raised from the dead every few months or so. They only thing that happens more often is the eve is dying threads.

WiS just doesn't work with what eve IS. People claim they can go to some virtual bar and make some shady deal would be cool. But the fact is that that sort of game play doesn't work in a game like eve. Open and sandbox where you can get shot even in the safest place in the galaxy. It works when you have essentially single player minigames strapped to the main game with no real interaction with other players. aka quests in WoW. Note the total safety in WoW.

Others think that getting in and out of spaceships is fun and makes the game better. After the first 5 times, and having to watch the same walk to the market every bloody time you undock, and everyone will want to turn it off.

And right now, if its THEE feature to have. Play star citizen. Oh wait its not a MMO. Yea cus doing stuff like having 2000 people walking around in mass is easy as pie program. WoW and co have shards, servers and now phases because their servers simply can't do it. Why would ccp be able to?

This topic comes up quite often.
Hopefully one day CCP will finish what they have long ago started