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Captain Grantkarppe
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2015-06-08 00:20:41 UTC
Nashuar Attor wrote:
If he ran out of cap as you say, that means his hardeners would offline too. Why not turn around and stomp on his ass? You may not kill him without a scram but he would run away leaving you alone. Bait him and fight. If you're running combat sites I'm guessing your tanked and can do dps. Slap him a bit. Be more fun than what you're currently doing.



I forgot to mention it, but he cyno'd in a black ops as well. Not to mention the fact if I want to leave nullsec, I'll need to refit for exploration/cloak, which requires me to use my mobile depot. I can't do that if he's in system.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#22 - 2015-06-08 00:29:43 UTC
ah, the dilemma makes a bit more sense now

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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#23 - 2015-06-08 01:33:58 UTC
Removed some off topic posts.

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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#24 - 2015-06-08 01:39:43 UTC
I'm sorry for the predicament you're in but it made me smile and it's a very interesting story! Big smile

I hope you make it out okay! I can't believe the persistence of the guy haha

@lunettelulu7
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#25 - 2015-06-08 04:32:59 UTC
Captain Grantkarppe wrote:
I was using my Legion w/ mobile depot to run combat sites in the backwater regions of nullsec space (well aware of the risks, still safer than WH) when this guy comes into local with a Tengu attempting to combat scan me. I warp around, shrug off my combat timer, and then log out.

I go to sleep for eight hours. I wake up, grab some coffee, and then log back in. What do I see? He's still in system and there are two warp bubbles right on top of me. I attempt to move to the out edge and align with another planet, when he uncloaks.

HE WAITED. For eight hours this guy either took shifts with friends or actually parked his toon in that spot, and was ever-vigilant for eight hours.

Fortunately I escaped. He attempted to energy neut me and in the process drained his cap and offlined his disruptor for a few seconds. I waited out the 15-minute combat timer, all the while watching his probes follow me everywhere in the system. I've logged off, and have no idea what to do next.

I could try to enlist help, perhaps mercenaries. I could also wait him out, but I'm not quite sure that would work. He has to sleep at some point, but his friends don't. Logging in again is risky. Any advice would be appreciated.



You can kill the other pilot.

But then the question arises: "How can you kill that which has no life?"

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Sweetsthehooker Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2015-06-08 04:44:01 UTC
Captain Grantkarppe wrote:
( still safer than WH) .


Captain Grantkarppe wrote:
local


Captain Grantkarppe wrote:
Cyno'd in a black ops


these things totally happen in wh's
Captain Grantkarppe
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2015-06-08 04:50:58 UTC
Sweetsthehooker Zateki wrote:
Captain Grantkarppe wrote:
( still safer than WH) .


Captain Grantkarppe wrote:
local


Captain Grantkarppe wrote:
Cyno'd in a black ops


these things totally happen in wh's



Because in WH space you can totally see if anybody is in local, right? Now who would that give an edge to? The PvPer, or the PvEer? Given that I must uncloak to run sites, and that I'll never know just how many buddies he has with him, I'd say that being able to see who's in the system makes it far safer despite having to contend with BLOPs. The goal is to avoid a scenario in which you would even be engaged by a T3 to begin with, so I don't see why BLOPs makes it any more dangerous than a pair of cloaked T3s in WH space.
Valkin Mordirc
#28 - 2015-06-08 04:51:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
Reading is hard. Oops


Also

Lol
#DeleteTheWeak
Sweetsthehooker Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2015-06-08 05:01:38 UTC
Captain Grantkarppe wrote:
Sweetsthehooker Zateki wrote:
Captain Grantkarppe wrote:
( still safer than WH) .


Captain Grantkarppe wrote:
local


Captain Grantkarppe wrote:
Cyno'd in a black ops


these things totally happen in wh's



Because in WH space you can totally see if anybody is in local, right? Now who would that give an edge to? The PvPer, or the PvEer? Given that I must uncloak to run sites, and that I'll never know just how many buddies he has with him, I'd say that being able to see who's in the system makes it far safer despite having to contend with BLOPs. The goal is to avoid a scenario in which you would even be engaged by a T3 to begin with, so I don't see why BLOPs makes it any more dangerous than a pair of cloaked T3s in WH space.


PvE folks are always at a disadvantage unless you're in local before PvP folks. what im saying is: ill take my chances with the superspoop cloaky proteii anyday over nullbeard tomfoolery. Drop the local crutch and scout yer chains m9
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#30 - 2015-06-08 05:12:14 UTC
It's not cost effective to use all that time and those resources to "get you". The longer they do it, the more expensive it becomes for them. Even the epeen stroking aspect to it shrinks over time and effort. From your initial story, it seemed the guy was hit by an enormous stroke of luck and just couldn't let it go.

It's like the junkyard dog that pokes his head through a hole in a fence, sees a bone there, grabs it, then discovers he can't pull his head back through the hole still holding the bone. How long will it take for him to figure out life demands he drop the bone. He'll never get to gnaw it...unless he reasons a way to find his way to the other side of the fence....some other dog may get it...uht oh!

So, in this is all sorts of evidence that blind luck is playing a greater role than intelligence. The intelligent thing to do would have been to drop it as soon as the expense exceeds the booty. So, you can rely on the attributes of unintelligent people, one of which is the short attention span. Sure, their enthusiasm was sparked by their unbelievable luck to pinpoint you so fast. That fades fast though, and their real nature will kick in.

They'll soon start picking their belly button lint and have forgotten why they're there in the first place.

Interesting tale.

There just isn't anything that can be said!
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
#31 - 2015-06-08 08:27:43 UTC
Otso Bakarti wrote:
It's not cost effective to use all that time and those resources to "get you". The longer they do it, the more expensive it becomes for them. Even the epeen stroking aspect to it shrinks over time and effort. From your initial story, it seemed the guy was hit by an enormous stroke of luck and just couldn't let it go.

It's like the junkyard dog that pokes his head through a hole in a fence, sees a bone there, grabs it, then discovers he can't pull his head back through the hole still holding the bone. How long will it take for him to figure out life demands he drop the bone. He'll never get to gnaw it...unless he reasons a way to find his way to the other side of the fence....some other dog may get it...uht oh!

So, in this is all sorts of evidence that blind luck is playing a greater role than intelligence. The intelligent thing to do would have been to drop it as soon as the expense exceeds the booty. So, you can rely on the attributes of unintelligent people, one of which is the short attention span. Sure, their enthusiasm was sparked by their unbelievable luck to pinpoint you so fast. That fades fast though, and their real nature will kick in.

They'll soon start picking their belly button lint and have forgotten why they're there in the first place.

Interesting tale.

What expense are you referring to here, as it literally costs him nothing but time to wait around? And if he's got a setup appropriate for this sort of thing, he's likely got his PVPer up on a screen, while he's doing other stuff on another, be that a different game, another character, whatever. Either way, I applaud his persistance, been in the shoes of someone like this, but have never spent THAT long waiting for someone to log back in. Would have to be an extremely juicy target, and even then I'd likely move on after an hour or so. I also applaud the OP for managing to slip away unscathed.
Thorn en Distel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2015-06-08 10:10:51 UTC
I'm having strong flashbacks to that Southpark WOW episode... 'those who have no life' indeed...
Nashuar Attor
Rat Kings Crew
#33 - 2015-06-08 10:42:04 UTC
Captain Grantkarppe wrote:
Nashuar Attor wrote:
If he ran out of cap as you say, that means his hardeners would offline too. Why not turn around and stomp on his ass? You may not kill him without a scram but he would run away leaving you alone. Bait him and fight. If you're running combat sites I'm guessing your tanked and can do dps. Slap him a bit. Be more fun than what you're currently doing.



I forgot to mention it, but he cyno'd in a black ops as well. Not to mention the fact if I want to leave nullsec, I'll need to refit for exploration/cloak, which requires me to use my mobile depot. I can't do that if he's in system.


Huh...didn't know a T3 could fit a cov-ops cyno.

WH space is safer. I live in null but do lots of exploration in WH space. Always safe in my Strat. Easy to tell if you're being hunted. Easier to get away. Run home to null or dive down the chain. Easy.

You'll have to speak up, I'm wearing a towel.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#34 - 2015-06-08 12:21:30 UTC
Captain Grantkarppe wrote:
I was using my Legion w/ mobile depot to run combat sites in the backwater regions of nullsec space (well aware of the risks, still safer than WH) when this guy comes into local with a Tengu attempting to combat scan me. I warp around, shrug off my combat timer, and then log out.

I go to sleep for eight hours. I wake up, grab some coffee, and then log back in. What do I see? He's still in system and there are two warp bubbles right on top of me. I attempt to move to the out edge and align with another planet, when he uncloaks.

HE WAITED. For eight hours this guy either took shifts with friends or actually parked his toon in that spot, and was ever-vigilant for eight hours.

Fortunately I escaped. He attempted to energy neut me and in the process drained his cap and offlined his disruptor for a few seconds. I waited out the 15-minute combat timer, all the while watching his probes follow me everywhere in the system. I've logged off, and have no idea what to do next.

I could try to enlist help, perhaps mercenaries. I could also wait him out, but I'm not quite sure that would work. He has to sleep at some point, but his friends don't. Logging in again is risky. Any advice would be appreciated.


*Edit*

Happy ending. He wasn't there when I logged back in, roughly 16 hours later. Either he got bored or paranoid. In any event it appears as though I'm going to be able to get home.



Translation "I don't know how to use Cloaking Devices, covert sub systems or nullifier sub systems despite the fact that I claim to be familiar with wormhole space" .

You did not properly prepare for the space you are in. Had you done so you wouldn't need to be posting here now. You also don't seem familiar with the game mechanics involve,d you should have had a safe spot, and should have been able to pop on a cloak as soon as you saw trouble coming, warp and cloak (I carry 2 cloaks, 1 prototype and one covert, the prototype is for a 'i need to pop on a cloak quickly' emergency, Legion isn't taking up cargo space with loads of ammo so it's fine).

No one should ever be able to scan you down in null because you shouldn't be doing anything with a neutral in system long enoguh for them to launch them.

As for what to do now? Call friends is your best bet for now. Best for the future is learn not to screw up like this again.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#35 - 2015-06-08 12:24:15 UTC
Nashuar Attor wrote:
Captain Grantkarppe wrote:
Nashuar Attor wrote:
If he ran out of cap as you say, that means his hardeners would offline too. Why not turn around and stomp on his ass? You may not kill him without a scram but he would run away leaving you alone. Bait him and fight. If you're running combat sites I'm guessing your tanked and can do dps. Slap him a bit. Be more fun than what you're currently doing.



I forgot to mention it, but he cyno'd in a black ops as well. Not to mention the fact if I want to leave nullsec, I'll need to refit for exploration/cloak, which requires me to use my mobile depot. I can't do that if he's in system.


Huh...didn't know a T3 could fit a cov-ops cyno.

WH space is safer. I live in null but do lots of exploration in WH space. Always safe in my Strat. Easy to tell if you're being hunted. Easier to get away. Run home to null or dive down the chain. Easy.


You offer good advice, but lets not start the "space that is obviously more dangerous is actually less dangerous" crap high sec people love to spew. Wormhole space is measurably less safe than null because of local chat, period. Every metric CCP has ever revealed about kills in various parts of EVE prove this, WH space is the most dangerous.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#36 - 2015-06-08 12:28:06 UTC
vccv wrote:
Sorry for your troubles.

Some people really like to stroke their killboards..

Nothing better to bump your board than a explo Legion that you know isnt equipped with friends/corp to help. Camp it 24/7 then link the kill to everyone to assert your "skillz".


Are you really complaining that it's somehow wrong to kill an unfriendly ship...in NULL SEC? WTF is wrong with people lol?
Jenshae Chiroptera
#37 - 2015-06-08 13:21:35 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
I have been 24/7 camped into a station by no-life nullbeards. ....
Jump clones, lots of them.
Death clones.

When I have been in a system, both gates bubbled and we are trapped. We all just went off and self destructed, ripped out implants and killed our pods.
If it is a certainty that I will lose the ship so fast that it has no hope of taking one of them down then I might as well deny them the kill, going to lose it anyway.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#38 - 2015-06-08 13:48:01 UTC
Captain Grantkarppe wrote:
someone willing to do this has multiple alts that he can play with while he waits for me. He's probably also using a splitscreen application that allows him to play without switching windows constantly.
Didn't he add you to his watch list so he spent 0:00 time worrying about you until you logged in?
Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#39 - 2015-06-08 13:58:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitch Kaneland
I deal with this pretty often since i solo roam in BC/BS. But i get enjoyment frustrating their prober(s). Its pretty easy when youre waiting out your timer to make safes to bounce between. Warp 15+ AU when you see probes, then wait until probes are within 5AU. Then warp to next safe. Once your timer runs out, warp to farthest safe and do safe log off while monitoring dscan. Ive never had a log on trap waiting for me.

Ive also been extra sneaky by swapping in ECCM using mobile depot and getting high SS just to make the prober work even harder.

Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role - OP SUCCESS

Make the Muninn great again!
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#40 - 2015-06-08 14:16:10 UTC
Nashuar Attor wrote:
If he ran out of cap as you say, that means his hardeners would offline too. Why not turn around and stomp on his ass? You may not kill him without a scram but he would run away leaving you alone. Bait him and fight. If you're running combat sites I'm guessing your tanked and can do dps. Slap him a bit. Be more fun than what you're currently doing.


a really dumb advice, in a pve fit you should never try to fight a pvp fit, you will most likely lose in 95% of all attempts.
He might also be prepared for next time, have friends next door etc.
Even in pvp fit you always should know what you're doing, have eyes in all adjacent systems etc, or you get owned pretty easily.
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