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Apparently it is OK to reuse skins of unique ships

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Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#101 - 2015-06-05 20:46:43 UTC
Ilaister wrote:
Entity wrote:
"..We don't care about upsetting customers that obtained those ships, we just care about getting a few more bucks from skins"

Thanks, CCP. Thanks a lot.


I see your ouinouin and raise you an IMG link of my own!

Some sage advice for CCP while we're all here - http://www.parents.com/toddlers-preschoolers/development/behavioral/stop-childs-whining/


Seriously though, everyone in the game knows who you are and should be impressed by your collection. Isn't that enough?


But Mumsy said my ships were special. You can't have a ship like mine because mine won't be special any more.
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#102 - 2015-06-05 21:42:15 UTC
Gameplay trumps visuals. Always. Get rid of skins already and focus on making the game better gameplay wise. I wil NEVER spend a single euro on buying skins.
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#103 - 2015-06-05 23:13:44 UTC
Yes, it is okay. Who told you otherwise?
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#104 - 2015-06-05 23:27:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
I thought his was a non-issue now.

CCP FoxFour replied (but then deleted his post), which can still be seen on eve-search:

http://eve-search.com/thread/428060-1/author/CCP

I could be reading his reply wrong though.
Agata Matahari
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#105 - 2015-06-06 06:24:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Agata Matahari
I feel so sorry for this poor trillionaire. Imagine his suffer.
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#106 - 2015-06-06 13:03:03 UTC
Hipqo
Tyde8
#107 - 2015-06-06 15:37:52 UTC
Entity wrote:
Hipqo wrote:
Read this.


And this is relevant how?


If you read it (which it doesnt sound like you have) you would know, that they plan to do this with almost all existing "special" ships and that some SKIN's will resemble, very closely, the special hulls in game.
Its not new, it didnt come out of the blue and CCP has been very open about how the SKIN system will be implemented and what will happen to the special hulls, in the game.

As far as i understand, you will not loose your precious little Stratios. You will just see regular stratios's flying around and looking alot like yours, but not 100% like it.
And your special little snowflake, will always have that special little snowflake name, when other people see it in the overview.

Cant really see the harm in letting the rest of us obtain a SKIN, when it doesnt hurt your collection one bit.

A life is best lived, to not step into your grave in a well preserved body. Instead, to slide in side ways, all battered and bruised, screamming, "Holy SH**! What a ride!"

Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2015-06-06 15:57:45 UTC
You know I can take my 2001 Miata, and turn it into a 1955 MG TF.

Is it a 1955 MG TF? No, it is still a Miata, and it looks wicked boss. Are owners of genuine 1955 MG TFs going to get upset that I'm driving a car that LOOKS like theirs? No. So what is your problem? You are getting into a tizzy because someone can get a PAINT JOB that makes their ship LOOK LIKE one of your rare ships. Is it an ER ship? No, it is still a Stratios, PAINTED to look like an ER. Oh the horror, my rare ER ship is no longer rare cause there are other ships out there that can LOOK LIKE IT, but really aren't it. Roll Thank you for the delicious tears tho.

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Hicksimus
Torgue
#109 - 2015-06-06 17:48:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Hicksimus
Falin Whalen wrote:
You know I can take my 2001 Miata, and turn it into a 1955 MG TF.

Is it a 1955 MG TF? No, it is still a Miata, and it looks wicked boss. Are owners of genuine 1955 MG TFs going to get upset that I'm driving a car that LOOKS like theirs? No. So what is your problem? You are getting into a tizzy because someone can get a PAINT JOB that makes their ship LOOK LIKE one of your rare ships. Is it an ER ship? No, it is still a Stratios, PAINTED to look like an ER. Oh the horror, my rare ER ship is no longer rare cause there are other ships out there that can LOOK LIKE IT, but really aren't it. Roll Thank you for the delicious tears tho.



MG owners would know something is wrong when you arrive at a meet on time and on all cylinders and they would instantly hate you. Just like when Ford Probe GT owners show up to 240sx meets and everybody hates them the moment they realize it's a Probe GT(because it blows past them while they talk about how real wheel drive is best).

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Tau Onyeka
Krusual Syndicate
#110 - 2015-06-06 18:30:35 UTC
That's a really lazy decision to reuse an existing skin and if it's a limited edition skin that just makes it a big no-no. Special ships, and their scarcity, are part of EVE history and there's always a story attached to them, re-releasing them (even if only looks wise) is terrible and diminishes both their value as their (hi)story.

Bad CCP! Don't do it.
Hemmo Paskiainen
#111 - 2015-06-07 12:38:45 UTC
Tykonderoga wrote:

Just fyi Entity worked as a dev for CCP and the basis of his wealth is built upon insider knowledge he had of changes in the game before he left the company. Thus, his wealth is ill-gotten.


Hmm if that is true, i know for sure Entity is Dutch. That would make me wonder... which ex-dev or close associate do i know that has ties with CCP and has the dutch nationality.... Let play the game: Who is! First question... Are you a women?

Ilaister wrote:

Seriously though, everyone in the game knows who you are and should be impressed by your collection. Isn't that enough?


If he's really what he says he is: Pic's or it isnt true!
He lost his credibility when he tried to rip me off in an aggressively attempt to buy some T2 bpo's extremely cheap. I kinda kept him on a leash, gave my friends and me a good laugh Lol

Terminus Antollare wrote:
So you mean to tell me a business is *gasp* trying to make money? Those greedy bastards. They should give us everything for free because we are subbed. That being said, we still expect spectacular changes to come out every month perhaps even other Eve related games, all with no increased revenue to the company who will be developing them.


Omg! So you are saying that for over the past 6 years all my sub money when to the actual initial design of EVE? Omg i must have missed something! Where exactly did the value for the customer, according to you, went to? The words: 4 year, negelection and subscription theft, raises in my mind...



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Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
#112 - 2015-06-07 14:00:02 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:

He lost his credibility when he tried to rip me off in an aggressively attempt to buy some T2 bpo's extremely cheap. I kinda kept him on a leash, gave my friends and me a good laugh Lol


Heh. That's amusing. We never got to the negotiation stage last I checked. Maybe because you weren't even -trying- to negotiate.

But hey, whatever, everyone likes rewriting history I suppose.

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Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#113 - 2015-06-07 14:06:14 UTC
There is always a risk that a limited edition anything will go back into production and not be limited. There is always a risk of clones. Just look at Genvolution implants or whatever.

Mark my words. Geckos are not always going to be rare either. :D

But i understand the issue. But it is a risk that collectors take. And for that matter, its still collected. Unless your speculating to make iskies, in which case losing isk is par for the course.

AKA the scientist.

Death and Glory!

Well fun is also good.

Torpedo Tammy
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#114 - 2015-06-07 20:22:45 UTC
Entity wrote:
Counter question: Why does it matter if they undock or not?


Because undocked, your ship is the same stupid little bracket thing as everyone elses.

People don't play EVE zoomed in, get over yourself.
Dyscordia
Super Elite Friendship Club
#115 - 2015-06-07 21:47:45 UTC
I can't get angry over this. There is literally zero history behind the Somer give away Emergency Responder variant. In fact, it should be a SKIN. It was an afterthought give away to alleviate player anger. The golden magnate was a different story to older players.
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2015-06-07 22:34:37 UTC
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Gameplay trumps visuals. Always. Get rid of skins already and focus on making the game better gameplay wise. I wil NEVER spend a single euro on buying skins.


You can buy them with PLEX, essentially making other people spend money on your behalf. Isn't it beautiful?
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#117 - 2015-06-07 22:52:21 UTC
Kiandoshia wrote:


You can buy them with PLEX, essentially making other people spend money on your behalf. Isn't it beautiful?


For a minute i was thinking about "A PLEX Ship Skin" available for every single ship in game. That's gonna be hilarious. Price - 30 Days Pilot's Extention License.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP

The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#118 - 2015-06-08 12:04:15 UTC
Hipqo wrote:
Entity wrote:
Hipqo wrote:
Read this.


And this is relevant how?


If you read it (which it doesnt sound like you have) you would know, that they plan to do this with almost all existing "special" ships and that some SKIN's will resemble, very closely, the special hulls in game.
Its not new, it didnt come out of the blue and CCP has been very open about how the SKIN system will be implemented and what will happen to the special hulls, in the game.

As far as i understand, you will not loose your precious little Stratios. You will just see regular stratios's flying around and looking alot like yours, but not 100% like it.
And your special little snowflake, will always have that special little snowflake name, when other people see it in the overview.

Cant really see the harm in letting the rest of us obtain a SKIN, when it doesnt hurt your collection one bit.


Except someone was saying earlier that this is not the case, the Ishukune Scorp (Or whatever the special one was called) has been removed and replaced with an Ishukune Skin. If they allow rare ship owners to keep their ships AND seed new skins into the game I am fine with that. If they REMOVE the rare ships and replace them with SKINS, well thats bullshit frankly.
Tau Onyeka
Krusual Syndicate
#119 - 2015-06-08 14:26:22 UTC
The Slayer wrote:
Except someone was saying earlier that this is not the case, the Ishukune Scorp (Or whatever the special one was called) has been removed and replaced with an Ishukune Skin. If they allow rare ship owners to keep their ships AND seed new skins into the game I am fine with that. If they REMOVE the rare ships and replace them with SKINS, well thats bullshit frankly.


That Scorp was meant as a first dip into the whole skin/get rich from vanity stuff idea and as such it's different from other special/rare ships. Still, changing that into a skin is already a big problem as you can't board/fly it anymore without linking it to that character.


Also, there's a whole lot of obvious non-haves (not that I have one) showcasing their jealousy in this thread.
Solairen
Matsuko Holding
#120 - 2015-06-09 23:09:09 UTC
Well I don't know if it was all the whining or not, but they didn't add the Stratios SKIN today like they said they would. They only added the Astero.

Kind of annoying since I was looking forward to it, and seems silly it wasn't added because it looked like someone else ship even though that special ship had different & better stats.

I guess squeaky wheel gets the grease. (Unless it has to do w/ Sentries and Ishtars, then it gets ignored).