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Still with the strawman. I guess you don't have anything left, given that your narrative is in shreds by now.

Do you carebears ever get any new lines, or have they not updated your playbook lately? CCP has invalidated that bullshit by now. Turns out, even if newbies just get blapped by the likes of me, or Marmite, or Forsaken, or whomever...

They are STILL more likely to resub than people who chew on rocks all day.

So even if you stick out your lower lip and pout about the "girefers" being allowed to shoot at more people, it's still better for the game in the long run than what you parasites want.

Oh, the irony.

Not to mention of course the bowhead itself being a buff for gankers. For the most part the lists either get ignored or responded to with "Those don't count because I don't want them to count".

Bowhead was not a buff or nerf to anything other than moving fitted ships around.

That some gankers have found a use for it doesn't make it a buff to pvp and if you would try to make the argument that it was introduced as a buff to pvp, that is not a sustainable argument. It doesn't compare on any level with reduced Concord response times for example.

Bowhead was not a buff or nerf to anything other than moving fitted ships around.

That some gankers have found a use for it doesn't make it a buff to pvp and if you would try to make the argument that it was introduced as a buff to pvp, that is not a sustainable argument. It doesn't compare on any level with reduced Concord response times for example.

Multiple have been listed in this very thread! Not least of which there's the orca fleet hangar changes which prevented them from having an unscannable no-drop bay and the war changes which meant that corps can dec hundreds of corps at a time. Feyd has posted his list multiple times over the last few months and people have repeatedly posted lists of buffs to pvpers and nerfs to safety. It's not my fault if he, his ilk and now supposedly you choose to filter out hundreds of posts.

As for the anecdotes, they are still valid. Beyond mechanical changes, there are behavioural changes which have to be included. As games progress people refine how they play and find better ways to do things which alter the balance of existing mechanics. That's why things like drone assist mechanics which were fine for a very long time were changed, because people found more effective ways to use them to attack other players. In the same way, as time has progressed, more effective ways have been found to use less assets and effort to attack players in highsec, so even if no mechanics were changed, there level of safety has gradually decreased as the effectiveness of the techniques has increased. Of course that does work both ways, it's just tended towards favouring aggressors.

All of that aside, high sec is supposed to be safer than any other area of space. How people can actively refuse to leave highsec yet whine about safety is beyond me. It's like going to a swimming pool and complaining that it's wet.

This is why the world Is screwed up you know. I mean that seriously, the real world, not about any game.

Otherwise intelligent people use that intelligence not to pursue the truth of a situation, but to try to make the world 'fit' into their preconceived and comfortable notions. I mean you don't have a single shred of analyzable proof about what you believe (that high sec is somehow less safe in this time of unprecedented mechanical safety). But you still believe it enough to post is, and defend it when challenged.

That's why I got out of the habit of responding to you. You can't overcome your own pridefulness for the small amount of time it would take to ask the question "what is true here", and ultimately that's a personal problem. Don't let anything anyone says stop you from participating in yet another threadnaught of just you against a bunch of other people that goes on for weeks.

Not to mention of course the bowhead itself being a buff for gankers.
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So while it obviously has been used for more efficient ganking, because it's not specifically designed for that, it doesn't count?

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.. yet a mechanic which is actively used by gankers to help them gank more effectively doesn't count against that because it's just for moving ships about.

Too long have people been complaining in reference to the inability to haul fitted/rigged vessels, to which the response was always "get an Orca." The inherent problem here, was that the Orca was severely limited in size of vessels which would be transported, as it was only designed to carry a couple of mining barges.

... another new ship, codename “Tug” which will be a Freighter sized ship with a large Ship bay for moving around multiple fitted battleships . This ship will probably become very popular with Incursion runners.

A buff, by definition, is an asymmetric change to mechanic to favor one side over the other. The Bowhead is created to fill a PVE need (see below), it is capable of being ganked. Looks like neither a buff or a nerf to me.

So if you look at the reasons something was introduced into the game by CCP and stick to their reasons, then there is no way you can sustain an argument that the bowhead was introduced as a buff to pvp. It wasn't and nowhere has CCP stated that as a reason.