EVE General Discussion

So a I probbed a recruiter of a corp only to have him reveal that he is new to EVE. The corp is a do it all fail corp. The corp recently came doen like a house of cards during a war dec. After explaining to the new player why his corp failed, why I wanted no part of it, and the things he should know about a corp, it dawned on me, I was being too harsh. How could this new player had known all the things that could go wrong with a corp? Was his background from an MMO that offered guilds or something? How could the new player know what makes a good player corp?

Perhaps we have been too harsh in our assumptions about why many players don't join player corps. how did you choose your current player corp? How and when did you know you had found what you wanted?

Common sense and a little research, speak effort.

Similar to me, except it was all strangers.

I got random donations from people that killed me in and around Amamake. Funded my buddies' and my PvP for about a month from that. Even a few donations from people with alts in the rookie corp I was in.

OP, we're perhaps a little 'harsh' on the forum, but it's more honesty than harshness I think. People are unused to a game like this it's true, but we shouldn't make the game safer just so he could make his space guild. What we should do, is make it abundantly clear form the beginning (looking at you Opportunities system) that '**** just got real' when you log in. We like to harp on how different we are from WoW and WoW clones, how much better we are bla bla bla, but when you get down to it; this game IS different. There is no other MMO that does what EVE does and the tutorials do a horrible job of preparing one for it. The danger is only warned through lore and trailers, which I'm guessing most people shrug off as just fluff as opposed to a reflection of the game's mechanics.

I think people here don't really realize how great a community we actually do have. Have any of you ever looked at another game's forums? It's a cesspool. We all butt heads and troll each other here and there, but by and large we're one big happy (if dysfunctional) family compared to other game's forums IMO. We're all aware of how difficult it can be to play, learn and succeed here, and I think that's reflected in the near fetishization of "the newbro" in the community at large. We love newbies, **** I'm still new compared to most of you long time vets and even I love a fresh faced enthusiastic newbie. I and other players spend a lot of our posting time in the Newbie forum, other people make helpful videos, or blogs with tutorials or skillplans etc. This community has, and continues to bend itself backwards to help newbies and get them to fall in love with EVE as much as we have. We don't go the extra mile, we go the extra lightyear when it comes to newbies.

So basically, we're really not that bad. Can't we all just get along? Maybe hug it out at the sun? At 0...

I remember when Azda was a little munchkin in Republic Military School. Always vocal in Corp, trying to get people to go kill something with a merry band of people (including a fellow from Brave) who were trying to figure out fits their basic skills would support.

Any corp that has a new player as a recruiter is probably not a corp youd want to be in in the first place.

Don't get me wrong... I'd like to be in their corp.. for reasons... but a new player.. probably not.

My first corp was made by me and two buddies form earth and beyond bakc in 04. I quickly realize di had no idea how to run a corp, so we all joined CLS. After ASCN formed, i decided CLS was not for me, and made my current corp.

I'm a crappy ceo, who tends ot everything himself, cause none of my directors were ever stable. I ran a lose corp, i either had people LOVE me as a ceo and stick around for years, or HATE me and bounce. With a few in the middle.

Decided that when i unmothball i need to not do it all myself, but we will see.


I helped out more noobs then i can count, some stay in eve, some leave, but i always had just the right ammount of isk to do what i want. So it goes all ways. Someday i'd love a former noob of mine to say 'Da, you are why i stayed in eve way back when.' but meh.

Little known fact here, most people don't apply common sense to a video game because... it's a video game... The realisation that EVE is one of the few games where real world common sense is needed usually only dawns on people after a few weeks.

And it's life and death! Oh wait, it's a game. You lost some pixels and pocket change!

Unless you are crazy like me... i ran a lose all around, people coudl do what they wanted, i did everything else... got burnt out at year 7 of eve heh

Could not quote this enough for ze truth of it.

My first corp was one of those well-meaning-but-going-nowhere association, but at least, they had some idea of what they were doing: sometimes they had a plan for their projects, sometimes they didn't, sometimes they fought the wars, sometimes they folded, sometimes they succeeded, sometimes they welped...

I took any pointers I could from them, from their bad decisions as well as the good ones, then wished them good luck and left. As far as I know, they are till somewhere out there, endlessly "re-organizing" and running in circles.

OP: have no regrets; oblivious CEOs and recruiters need to be kicked until they learn, the whole lot of them.