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Protecting some t1procs from gankers

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sasha Tivianne
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-06-02 12:39:21 UTC
First off, combat talk is way over my head at the moment. ( I'm new to eve and my bf says mining would be my thing) I've started a mining fleet with some very squishy procurer's that I don't want to lose, the area im in has code passing by to say hello regularly. My question is what ship is best for helping to stop ganking fleets using catalysts? From what i can see a Falcon but i could be very wrong as well.

thanks
and if you could post/link a fit that would be great =)
Helena Ohu
Doomheim
#2 - 2015-06-02 13:00:16 UTC
Your best defences against ganks are tank, movement and being aware of who is in local with you.
If you can'f fit a T2 damage control and T2 shield tank then train that now as well as the support skills.
When mining DON'T sit still, always move i.e. orbit the asteroid you are mining at 10km.
Gankers will strike fast enough that a falcon or pvp alt will not have time to react so don't bother with them.
Set CODE to -10 standings and if local spikes with reds dock up.

Fit your procurer something like;
T2 strip miner

T2 adaptive invuln x2
T2 em ward field
T2 medium shield extender

T2 damage control
T2 mining laser upgrade

thermal reinforcer
core defense field extender x2

This should give you ~80,000 ehp with good skills and at this point its not economicaly worth killing you
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#3 - 2015-06-02 13:04:28 UTC
Or better yet, move to a quieter area to mine.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#4 - 2015-06-02 15:37:41 UTC
Falcon,blackbird work, so do tornadoes or any of the attackbattlecrisers for that matter.

Just lock and pop the ones with low enough sec status , it's funny as hell and you never know , you might even save the miners.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#5 - 2015-06-02 16:36:35 UTC
[Procurer, Supa-tank]

Damage Control II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

(NOTE: use the above fit as a template or goal)
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#6 - 2015-06-02 16:49:51 UTC
I can hardly call a Procuror squishy...

I presume that you believe them to be squishy-er due to low skill totals - but the Procuror still mounts a formidible tank.

A quick and slapdash play around gives me this:

Procuror:

High;
Strip Miner I

Mid;
EM Ward Field I
Kinetic Deflection Field I
Thermic Dissipation Field I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

Low;
Damage Control I
Mining Laser Upgrade I

Rig;
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

That fits with nothing more than the Mining Barge, Mining and Hull Upgrades, Tactical Shield Manipulation (all at [1]) Astrogeology [3], and Mining [4] over the starting skills.

With just these skills it has over 9k shield hitpoints, EM and Explosive resists in the region of 65% and Kin resist @ 78% and Thermal @ 70% - a pretty hefty proposition for Catalysts... (700 base DPS - about 170 DPS after resists - means over 50 seconds worth of shields).
Working on the basis of simply being less viable than the other guy is not an entirely safe option but you can back it up - a Bantam or Griffon in belt might add to the disinsentive but even just loading a flight of Hornet EC-300s will make life for the Cat's difficult.
sasha Tivianne
Doomheim
#7 - 2015-06-02 22:01:46 UTC
ty guys and girls, yeah i haven't got into my procurers yet, so i thought they would be squishy, the system im in has 2gankers so i dont really want to move as its near my bfs system he uses in highsec and he has the freighter to move stuff to sell everything i mine. I will be training the falcon so i can 'try' to have some giggles and stop some ganks (hopefully) this one will be my main in the end or until i can sell the miners and buy a higher sp toon =)

Thanks again everyone.
Paranoid Loyd
#8 - 2015-06-02 22:12:58 UTC
Blackbird or Griffin will be much cheaper and you can get into them much faster.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#9 - 2015-06-02 22:43:15 UTC
Given that the stereotypical gank Catalyst deals only Kinetic & Thermal damage, wouldn't you be better off skipping the EM resist modules being recommended in favour of more Kin/Therm resists?

just asking....

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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#10 - 2015-06-02 22:48:16 UTC
Gank Coercers then start to become the most profitable option - they aren't far behind on damage.
Paranoid Loyd
#11 - 2015-06-02 22:52:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
Given that the stereotypical gank Catalyst deals only Kinetic & Thermal damage, wouldn't you be better off skipping the EM resist modules being recommended in favour of more Kin/Therm resists?

just asking....

For the average hurr durr gankers, that would be a fine strategy, however, organized gankers will also have Thrashers or Coercers on standby as well. If you have the numbers and are going to go to the effort of ganking tanked procurers, you will be prepared for that contingency.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

CHAD Stetille
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-06-02 22:54:31 UTC
It really depends on what the gankers are flying. Most use catalysts which do not do great EM or Explosive damage because of the ammo used. They are normally using T2 blasters and Void or Null ammo. You should be tanking for kinetic / Thermal damage.

And make sure your drone skills are trained so yo can use all 5 or your drones. Always keep an eye on local and Dscan and if your doing something like AFK mining then nothing is going to help you.

BOB is my Co-Pilot.

sasha Tivianne
Doomheim
#13 - 2015-06-02 23:09:21 UTC
not going to be afk, just will have all t1 mods etc to start with and 4miners. The gankers are in cats that i can tell (been seeing what happens in the system, so have any gankers i know of on watchlist) but if they do go to a trashier, will the griffin/blackbird help or thats wen i need different ship/mod to stop them targeting?
Paranoid Loyd
#14 - 2015-06-02 23:19:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
They will still work but the ECM modules themselves are race specific, so you would need the right one(s) to have the best chance of jamming.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2015-06-02 23:23:57 UTC
I would recommend you to have a look at your bf once again but from different angle.

He did recommend you a mining boredome right from the beggining of your path and he didn't give a proper tips about safety.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP

Paranoid Loyd
#16 - 2015-06-02 23:24:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Tiddle Jr wrote:
I would recommend you to have a look at your bf once again but from different angle.

He did recommend you a mining boredome right from the beggining of your path and he didn't give a proper tips about safety.

Woman! Get back in the kitchen Mining Barge

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

sasha Tivianne
Doomheim
#17 - 2015-06-03 00:04:20 UTC
LoL his plan was i made isk from the start and sell the 4miners in 4months time, he is paying to transfer them when they sell..so then I'll have alot of isk at the end....he said nothing is free and i have to work to get a nicer toon LOL I came across the ecm idea and thought thats what i would like to do in null, wen i get there.
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#18 - 2015-06-03 00:36:57 UTC
As long as the only way to defeat gankers is to run away or wait for them to shoot you first, the advise in this thread is probably the best way to go.
I'd say something about there needing to be actual consequences for criminal actions, but from what I've seen that tends to result in locked threads and threats.
Paranoid Loyd
#19 - 2015-06-03 00:39:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Haha, we're just playing. Do what you want, mining is not fun, but mining to achieve a goal can be. Just don't get stuck only mining.

Strategies for defending mining fleets in low/null/wh is completely different than in highsec. (There is a limit type/amount of ships that are used in highsec, while pretty much anything can be used to gank in low security space) Using an ECM ship is still an OK strategy, but while you can jam a destroyer from well outside it range and also keep your distance if they do come after you, the wide variety of ships that can ruin both the miner's day and yours at the same time out where there is little or no consequence for your actions makes it a bit more tricky.


Being a RL woman in this game has it's distinct advantages at least when you start to meta game anyway. (Neckbeards are easy to manipulate if you know how to speak to them)

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

sasha Tivianne
Doomheim
#20 - 2015-06-03 01:06:15 UTC
I know your just playing lol mining is just my stepping stone, usually have to level a toon to 80/90 to get to the good stuff anyway hehehe I'm just trying to make it more exciting and thinking outside the box =) and i really don't know what the hell I'm doing or the fits, so you guys are really helpful =)
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