Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Nay, you can't do that type of comparision since you can't lock and destroy turrets.

You're on the right track, but the Ishtar should be made into a heavy drone platform without any sentry bonus, since sentries are now been targeted because of it.

So,

This is what we have discovered with all this posting:

- Sentries are OK the way they are now.

- Ishtar's are a breed between a big ass Mini-Carrier (no battleship so far comes in close to the dps output @ the same range) and an Interceptor (Low sig and high speed).

- Domi's are Ishtar's big fat brothers. They are slow, bulky, and they can't even compete with the Ishtar. Will they still be viable for big fleets ? Your guys know better.

- With the changes remaining the way they are in the works now:
* Ishtar's will remain the dominant ship to go to in large fleet fights (cheaper then a BS or T3 - better range and damage - no necessity to retrain "Amarr Propultion V")
* Dominix may still work or not, will not speculate as i have no flown one in years (Man is that ship ugly)
* Rattlesnake will have the change setups away from sentries, and into heavy drones (And I'm not talking PvP here, but PvE)
* Armageddon - don't know what this change will do it. Frankly i don't even think there are that many people out there that fit sentries on their geddons. I have always seen a geddon (after it was change to a mini-bhalgorn) to be usyng at most heavy drones, if at all. I change the Drone damage bonus on this ship to a ewar drones bonus.
* Nestor - "nice" ship VISUAL design. But when it comes to using it for anything - NOT WORTH IT
*** On any hull that does NOT have bonus to sentries tracking - sentries will be worthless. They already track for **** (without tracking links ).


- This post has been running for i believe over 2 week now (?), and with the replies and discussions on the matter, the changes are still planned to go live.


Who will have more and who will have less to lose after patch day ?

Big fleets that use the Ishtar regularly (fleets over what - 100 ~ ?), will still use them - just change 1-2 modules. And i bet there changes have already been made and alliance mails already sent out. As well as ship contracts changed to the new fits.
I mean hey, why go with a ship that costs more and does only 50-70% of the job the Ishtar does - right ?

The little guys that use any of the others hulls for either PvP or PvE (primarily PvE - don't think people would use sentries on ships that don't have a bonus for them in pvp) WILL SUFFER after these changes.


- There have been discussion going back and forth about the differences in the range / tracking between sentries and Large Guns. The primary things to remember here are:
<> Sentries: even do they more or less damage / tracking / range - THEY ARE DESTROYABLE. You can take them down. Even more so when they are deployed by Ishtar's (why ? cause Ishtar's can't just pick them up when they start taking fire - without loosing the ship in the process)
<> Guns, guns, guns: even do they require pg and cpu to fit, more or less cap to use - THEY ARE NOT DESTROYABLE (unless you forget to turn overheat off). With guns you can also stop shooting and change ammo type, witch will give you more or less optimal / fallout / tracking / cap usage / and not to mention damage.
<> And not to mention projectile ammo also allows you to change damage types.
<> Now, try to change the range, tracking and off course the damage type with sentries drones. Well this is were it get's tricky: You can either go back and scoop the drones up (witch takes time and puts the ship in danger), or abandon said drones and deploy another set. You can carry loads of different ammo types in your cargo. But you can only carry a set amount of sentries set's with you. And most of the time changing a set of sentries means "loosing" the old set.


The problem is, we keep talking between us, and it's all for nothing. Nobody is paying attention and following these requests / complaints / what ever you want to call it.

We will see after DT today.

You're comparing apples to orangutans.

How about you go back to my post where I compare apples to apples?

It's clear you have no interest in actual real numbers. You clearly want to stay at "base" numbers which are completely meaningless in a world where implants, overheating, ammo and more boost turrets/missiles but have no effect on drones. But sure continue to compare the lowest tracking turret against the highest tracking sentry drone and pretend that you're making a point.

I know it's dumb of me to try to have a real conversation with a troll alt named "gank you" that has a history of making wildly inaccurate assertions. I just can't help myself right now.


Ishtars should lose the sentry bonuses.

NOPE

Shooting the drones is only slightly more useful than defender missiles.

See, here's how it really works:

Bombing kinda works, however if you have enough pilots to man a bombing wing AND threaten the main fleet what is more effective is simply sticking those bombers in ishtars and alphaing the enemy off field with superior numbers.

Bombers are fine if you're outmanned and outgunned and it's your only option. Of course the enemy then realises this and fans out a little but whatever.

Shooting with guns is silly because you'll be getting shot back by the drones and if you can tank them, then you're better off shooting the ishtars anyway. If you can't, you're trading ships for drones and the ishtars have 2 more sets of spares and are taking no losses in the meanwhile..

When you pop drones, the ONLY time you really do it is when the ishtar fleet warps off to regroup to reduce their ability to reconnect mid fight. Alternatively if they're in range of logi, you scoop the abandoned ones to replace your own.

But what do I know, I'm arguing with mission/PvE bears teary eyed because they've lost a little DPS and it's simply inconceivable to use another ship, thus the sky is falling.

Very much worse damage resists, however, with no way to improve them.

EHP means "effective hit points", resists are included.

What if launching sentries spread them out around your ship in a fixed formation and they stay locked on to your ship, you are free to move around. Tracking could be cut down closer inline with other large weapons because you are able to manually pilot to reduce traversal to a degree. Drones are still destroyable and remote reps are viable.

TLDR, I join bandwagon once something is confirmed to be above it's peer and then whine when it get's nerfed.