EVE General Discussion

Take the recent 0.0-revamp threads — they got a resounding, and almost entirely positive and constructive response because they gave the air of “yes, we're actually going to put some effort into this.” The fact that there were multiple threads alone was enough to give this impression.

Well unless you have been living under a rock, it should be clear that CCP is in a lose lose situation with its fan base. Every change they propose has fierce opposition simply because their is zero consensus in the community. To some the null sec changes are a blessing, to others its grounds for a divorce. There are examples like this throughout every single element of the game and the playerbase rips everything apart line by line, word by word. A CCP employee could come on the forums just to say hi and it will turn into a threadnaught of insanity in minutes with stuff like "don't you have work to do?" or "Why are you saying hi instead of fixing supercaps!"..

There is nothing they can say or do that will quell the Eve population, right now they are like an angry lynch mob that just needs to hang somebody, anybody!

The only thing to be said about this situation right now is that there are people at CCP and on the CSM that are still trying, despite the immense and begrudgingly unforgiving Eve community. The hate is so fierce right now that personally the best thing they can do is just let the game die a little. Let a hundred thousand players quit, let them whine and call it CCP's NGE and than when they are gone go back to making the game they want to make and let real fans of the game enjoy it. Its what happen to Star Wars Galaxies and to be frank while the post NGE days where a horrible mess, a year later a community emerged to support the game and kept the developers busy for 6 years. That may in fact what ends up happening to Eve and in a way it may be the best thing that could happen to the game at this point.

No. Quite the opposite: people expect big changes, and they're not happening. Very little has been added to the game for a very long time now.
It's the pile of stickies at the top.

I'm familiar with these discussions, I have read a great deal of them and I have to say.. seriously? This is a consensus? If this is a consensus than Im the bloody pope.

Pretty new to this game myself, to be honest playing the game right now I don't see what the problem is really. All I see is a certain player base that wines like little children at any chance they have. And to be honest the last time I played an mmo was back when starwars galaxies first came out. Played for about a year. Even in those early years people acted this way. Really it's ok to complain and stuff but at this point I see a certaiin percent of you complainers just totally off your rocks!

But you want the older duders telling the younger duders, this game is great and its well worth the time, money etc you sink into it. At present there isnt many Older duders even logging in any great numbers, and those that do probably in someway are putting off prospective newer players. I think this the trend for the last 6 months at least anyway.

EVE has been out for a long time, are big changes really unexpected? Does anyone want a continuing game that never changes?

Do you think changes should be limited to just new ships and ajustments of existing attributes for everything?

Take SM 3 for instance. Shader Model 3 came out in 2004. CCP Implemeted it in June 2011. Yes it slowed the game down but it's a pretty obvious technology to implement and use.

What is the benifit of this? EVE looks prettier. EVE is a beautiful game to watch. Ships have great detail, the new turrets are amazing. Now SM 3 is introduced and is the new graphics base, i would expect many more things to happen to enhance the visual appeal of EVE.

Since i started playing in 2009 i was told that EVE runs on some pretty sloppy coding that was a PITA to work with. I don't know if that is right or not, but from what i know, all transactions were running on Python with an incredibly annoying global lock. Now that that has evolved into CarbonIO, it will also have many good flow on effects.

We had a big heap of good/big expansions recently: Aprocrypha with it's new WHs, scanning and T3's, Dominion with big Sov changes and SC buff, Incursion with PI and the introduction of the Sansha revival, and Incarna with Carbon IO, SM 3, turrets, NeX, Incursions etc.

With those revamps done, do you think bad things will happen or something?

Ever since I can remember gaming companies tried to entice potential customers to their products by giving them a taste of the finished product. This was done by producing screenshots, video's, interviews with developers and demo's. Its a practice that (I hope you agree) is still quite prevalent today.

However since CCP experienced our sea of discontent as so aptly portraited by Fiddlers Edge we have been left in the dark. We know that certain devs have good ideas, we know that they have asked for feedback on their plans and this is all well and good. However of the coming establishments, open area's and of the new additional CQ's we have seen nothing recent. Neither have we seen any kind of information regarding other plans in EVE At least not those of us who have not signed an NDA.

Sure CCP has done some interviews, saying all kinds of stuff. They say they are balancing every ship in the game. They also say they are going to redesign 0.0 over the coming 5 years, these changes span from introducing "smallholds" to making smaller alliances viable in 0.0 (with treaties I presume). These plans are needed and welcome but in which way will EVE benefit from all this discussion and planning in practice in the coming year? We have no idea, but the next expansion is only 3 months away.

Why does CCP continue to stealth about upcoming plans, ideas and new features. I am sure that many things need to be ironed out but on the other hand certain things and ideas must have progressed in such a way that they are scheduled for a release somewhere between now and early june? I dearly hope that for instance CQ's are more then halfway finished by now since the CSM got a preview of them in June. How are the new ship skins coming or the nerfing of the dramiel or the balancing of other ships?

What is stopping CCP to inform their clients, on the product that they subscribe to? Vague promises of changes just about on the horizon without context we allready have received. These in itself are not the problem, the lack of any other input to wet our appetites for new eve content is. We have not even seen a dedicated page to Incarna or the coming winter expansion. Nor have we seen or heard anything about what exactly the goal will be in the upcoming "establishments".

Last night several of my friends who are already unsubbed got a mail about how CCP invited them back to EVE assuring them that CCP had no plans to implement game breaking items in the NeX store. While this is one of the issues many people unsubbed over they did not address the issues completely nor did they offer any new or exciting changes to their potential new customers. Overal the mail was an unconvincing, almost sad attempt to tempt people back without any real changes. These are not my words, but the opinion of the people receiving the mail.

If we can make dev blogs about two new shirts and a skirt being released on the NeX, it couldn't hurt about making one about the upcoming new skins of the ships and the ability to paint them. I don't think that a devblog like that would be received badly by any Capsuleer and it is just one example out of many topics that could be discussed in a positive way.
This would benefit both CCP, their players and the bitter old vets of which I know I am one. Like I said before, inside every bitter vet there is a fanboy, screaming to get out and play. Give us a chance to release him/her.