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Drago Shouna

Doomheim

Likes received: 751

#1 - 2015-05-31 12:37:23 UTC | Edited by: Drago Shouna

This is my fit, but the dps seems to be really low. I can switch crystals and get 634.2 using Gleam. Currently equipped with Aurora

Any ideas would be welcome.

Most skills are at 4, with a few at 5 and Large Beam Laser Specialisation Currently training to 4..

Cheers

[Apocalypse, Apocalypse]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Corpus C-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener
Core C-Type Armor Thermic Hardener
Shadow Serpentis Large Armor Repairer

Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Cap Recharger II

Dual Heavy Beam Laser II
Dual Heavy Beam Laser II
Dual Heavy Beam Laser II
Dual Heavy Beam Laser II
Dual Heavy Beam Laser II
Dual Heavy Beam Laser II
Dual Heavy Beam Laser II
Dual Heavy Beam Laser II

Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Large Energy Collision Accelerator I

Hobgoblin II x4
Hornet I x2
Salvage Drone I x4
Acolyte I x1
Hammerhead I x2

Gleam L x8

418.4 dps with Aurora

Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."

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Odithia

Ministry of War

Amarr Empire

Likes received: 86

#2 - 2015-05-31 13:11:12 UTC

Apoc has no damage bonus so it is hard to get a good DPS on it.
However it has pretty good damage projection and application.

It's mostly good with Mega Pulse but overall I find it's a pretty bad ship for PVE.

Actualy I'm of the opinion that Laser ships are bad for PVE as a general rule, except maybe the Paladin.
I don't know why so many people are drawn to them for PVE, they are probably the worst weapon system for that.
(damage type and weak toward most ewar)

You could try something like that, or single rep with one more heat sink or damage control.
Alternatively, a mega beam setup with a micro jump drive.

[Apocalypse, pve]
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Large Armor Repairer II
Large Armor Repairer II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
100MN Afterburner II

Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L

Large Energy Discharge Elutriation I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hammerhead II x5

Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1,052
ChromeStriker Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 1,052	#3 - 2015-05-31 13:44:15 UTC Dont forget the nightmare... awesome ship No Worries

Nam Dnilb

Universal Frog

Likes received: 277

#4 - 2015-05-31 14:07:23 UTC

Don't use Aurora on this fitting, it goes to x2 your lock range and is the lowest damage. Gleam is edge case ammo, Apoc is all about range and the range penalty on Gleam is massive. Sometimes the extra tracking is nice, though. I'd stick with faction MF and UV lenses for range. Try out Megapulses and Scorch, they go nicely with the hull's bonuses.

If you are shooting at the kinetic rats (Guristas/Serpentis), like your choice of hardeners suggests, I'd use another ship altogether. Armageddon is an option, if you want to stick with Amarr T1.

Also, your drone bay is a mess. I used two sentries and a flight of lights or a flight of mediums + lights.


Drago Shouna Doomheim Likes received: 751	#5 - 2015-05-31 14:12:59 UTC Yeah I know about the drone bay, I tend to use the ones from mission looting as disposable ammo :) Then use the T2 if needed. Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want." Welcome to EVE.

Caleidascope

Republic Military School

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 606

#6 - 2015-05-31 17:14:34 UTC | Edited by: Caleidascope

Drago Shouna wrote:

Since you are doing beams anyway, have you considered lmjd fit?

lmjd and shield tank in mids, dps and tracking mods in low. This way you can have in low 3-4 dps mods, 1-2 tracking mods, dc, drone dps or targeting range mod.

Don't forget to get implants from lp store. Something like 3% to cap capacity, 3% to cap recharge. The highest percentage that npc corp lp store has is 5%. For 6% you will have to go to concord lp store.

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Aralieus

Shadowbane Syndicate

Likes received: 301

#7 - 2015-05-31 20:51:13 UTC

You would do really weell to upgrade to a Navy Apoc...more bang for your buck.

[Apocalypse Navy Issue, Apocalypse Navy Issue fit]

True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Reactive Armor Hardener

Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L

Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II

Garde II x2
Hobgoblin II x5
Salvage Drone I x5

Pulse repper and group guns into 4 and 4 and only use MWD when getting to gates or mission items and your cap will be fine. Stable is over-rated and your real tank is in your high slots anyway. Drones and rigs to flavor but I have always found I can handle most situations with the ones fitted on this fit. Swap out MWD for a MJD in missions you know it will be better for, I can think of a few off the top of my head just can't remember their names.

HTH

Aral

Oderint Dum Metuant

New Eden Tech Support 21,564
Ralph King-Griffin New Eden Tech Support Likes received: 21,564	#8 - 2015-05-31 21:09:09 UTC +1 for upgrading to the npoc or ngeddon. Murderers of Negotiable Motivations =]\|[=

Planteious

Deep Core Mining Inc.

Caldari State

Likes received: 1

#9 - 2015-05-31 21:14:44 UTC

Aralieus wrote:

You would do really weell to upgrade to a Navy Apoc...more bang for your buck.

[Apocalypse Navy Issue, Apocalypse Navy Issue fit]

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Pulse repper and group guns into 4 and 4 and only use MWD when getting to gates or mission items and your cap will be fine. Stable is over-rated and your real tank is in your high slots anyway. Drones and rigs to flavor but I have always found I can handle most situations with the ones fitted on this fit. Swap out MWD for a MJD in missions you know it will be better for, I can think of a few off the top of my head just can't remember their names.

HTH

Aral

That's the fit to go cause duals are useless.

Viziam Amarr Empire 853
Celthric Kanerian Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 853	#10 - 2015-06-02 15:39:14 UTC 1 If you want good dps then use Mega Pulse Lasers II loaded with Scorch crystals, then you'll see the dps rise.

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