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Cov op frigate vs Recon Cruiser for low/null sec Exploration

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Pod Panik
Low-Sec Scrubs
#1 - 2015-05-29 11:24:13 UTC
Hello all...


I am currently active in low sec doing data/relic sites with my Imicus. The payout is good and its more stimulating then running L4 missions. The only sad thing is that I keep leaving behind all those interesting combat sites...


I am currently working on the skills to sit in a Helios for its cov-op cloak capabilities. But does it worth it? If I were to train directly for the Recon Cruisers, i could continue doing the data/relic sites, but now the combat sites would be accessible.


Anyone doing low sec exploration in a recon and how are they performing? My main concern is that they don't grant any scaning bonuses (or virus bonuses) and my scaning skills are at level 3 mostly. However I could alway double fit with a mobile depot (scaning and combat fits).


Please let me know how your story goes with Recon ships for low sec exploration. I was going Gallente so my training would get me sonmuch closer to the Ishtar but is the Arazu a good option compared to the other 3?


As always, many thanks for sharing your wisdom




Ps: i own a Stration but its soo expensive that i keep.him for high sec exploration. I don't have deep pockets yet to sacrifice 500 mil isk.
Duskiej
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2015-05-29 11:36:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Duskiej
Cov ops are definitely worth it, you make a ton of money by running data/relic sites in null. Especially relic sites.

Recons, on the other hand, are rather lacking in both combat and data/relic department. You would be better off going for Cov ops and then straight to tech 3 cruisers. They are much more suited for exploration, with scanning and hacking bonusses, interdiction nullification, cloaking and much stronger combat capabilities.

With the money from exploring in null with a cov ops, it shouldn't take you long to be able to afford.

PS: Interceptors are also good for data/relic sites in null, you would miss the strenght, but get a interdiction nullfication bonus in return. Plus you'd scare off other explorers when an inty lands on grid.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
Insidious.
#3 - 2015-05-29 12:06:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
If you're just sticking to lowsec then go for the Ishtar, fit for travel and cloak-mwd trick through the gates. If you must fly a recon then the Pilgrim was always a popular exploration choice (Amarr Cruiser V will help the Stratios as well). Lowsec sites aren't that hard to scan down and you can always fit those scan array things while travel fit to make up for lack of bonuses.
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#4 - 2015-05-29 12:23:55 UTC
Have you considered doing the lower level combat sites in an Astero. You'd probably need two different fitting to switch between if this option is taken.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-05-29 13:03:48 UTC
You want to have a fast (to get around quick, more sites), ideally bonused (less failure, faster scan time) and cheap hull (don't regret losing) ... cov ops frigs (low skill) or ceptors (high skill). Your "end game" explorer vessel will be a T3 cruiser, though it suffers from not being cheap and fast.

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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#6 - 2015-05-29 13:13:59 UTC
i trained my cov ops alt into t3's for exploration, i preferred using the anathema as it was faster and easier to evade things

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Pod Panik
Low-Sec Scrubs
#7 - 2015-05-29 13:27:31 UTC
Avaelica Kuershin wrote:
Have you considered doing the lower level combat sites in an Astero. You'd probably need two different fitting to switch between if this option is taken.



Could the Astero generate enough DPS to get through 4/10 sites? I doubt it...
Pod Panik
Low-Sec Scrubs
#8 - 2015-05-29 13:28:22 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
You want to have a fast (to get around quick, more sites), ideally bonused (less failure, faster scan time) and cheap hull (don't regret losing) ... cov ops frigs (low skill) or ceptors (high skill). Your "end game" explorer vessel will be a T3 cruiser, though it suffers from not being cheap and fast.




Mmmm...Cov-Op Frigates probably can't generate the DPS required to go through combat sites.


If so, can you share a fit?
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#9 - 2015-05-29 13:32:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Vol Arm'OOO
Stratios is able to handle many of the combat sites - I have a friend that runs the ded 5s (and maybe 6 I forget) in an active tanked version. A little pricy, but in low sec you should never lose it. Neither the covert ops frigs or the recons are going to be able to handle the better combat sites. For course you dont really need to do the hard ones to make isk. The hideaway anom takes maybe 2 mins to run and frequently has a faction spawn at the end or can turn into a lvl 3 ded escalation, both of which can result in decent isk for little effort.

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Pod Panik
Low-Sec Scrubs
#10 - 2015-05-29 14:09:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Pod Panik
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Stratios is able to handle many of the combat sites - I have a friend that runs the ded 5s (and maybe 6 I forget) in an active tanked version. A little pricy, but in low sec you should never lose it. Neither the covert ops frigs or the recons are going to be able to handle the better combat sites. For course you dont really need to do the hard ones to make isk. The hideaway anom takes maybe 2 mins to run and frequently has a faction spawn at the end or can turn into a lvl 3 ded escalation, both of which can result in decent isk for little effort.




I agree...I do have a Stratios and it rocks. However they are VERY pricy. About twice as much as a Ishtar.

therefore, given my limited bank account, I am not urged to send mine in Low Sec even if the chances to lose it are slim.


But would a dual fit (exploration/combat with mobile depot) Vexor be enough? They are cheap and can deliver decent DPS with drones. Or maybe even a Navy Vexor...
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-05-29 17:28:22 UTC
Pod Panik wrote:
Tipa Riot wrote:
You want to have a fast (to get around quick, more sites), ideally bonused (less failure, faster scan time) and cheap hull (don't regret losing) ... cov ops frigs (low skill) or ceptors (high skill). Your "end game" explorer vessel will be a T3 cruiser, though it suffers from not being cheap and fast.




Mmmm...Cov-Op Frigates probably can't generate the DPS required to go through combat sites.


If so, can you share a fit?

I can't, cov-ops won't work for combat sites Blink... take a Hawk, Confessor, VNI, Ishtar, Stratios for combat exploration sites.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2015-05-30 11:01:36 UTC
Duskiej wrote:
you make a ton of money by running data/relic sites in null. Especially relic sites.
.


The isk from relic/date sites is pocket change compared to that of combat sites though...
Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#13 - 2015-05-30 23:16:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Steppa Musana
Pod Panik wrote:
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Stratios is able to handle many of the combat sites - I have a friend that runs the ded 5s (and maybe 6 I forget) in an active tanked version. A little pricy, but in low sec you should never lose it. Neither the covert ops frigs or the recons are going to be able to handle the better combat sites. For course you dont really need to do the hard ones to make isk. The hideaway anom takes maybe 2 mins to run and frequently has a faction spawn at the end or can turn into a lvl 3 ded escalation, both of which can result in decent isk for little effort.




I agree...I do have a Stratios and it rocks. However they are VERY pricy. About twice as much as a Ishtar.

therefore, given my limited bank account, I am not urged to send mine in Low Sec even if the chances to lose it are slim.


But would a dual fit (exploration/combat with mobile depot) Vexor be enough? They are cheap and can deliver decent DPS with drones. Or maybe even a Navy Vexor...

You might struggle to tank some sites, but a Navy Vexor is an okay choice. I know someone who did sites in Vexors, he'd use the basic T1 version because he didnt want to care about dying.. he'd jump gates and run sites unscouted, not caring about dying and just trying to run as many sites as he could. He ended up making a ton of ISK like that b/c when he did die it cost him only 20m-30m. So depending on how you fly, Id use Vexor if you YOLO, Navy Vexor if you're somewhat safe, Stratios if you're very safe.
Kashadin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-05-30 23:52:54 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Duskiej wrote:
you make a ton of money by running data/relic sites in null. Especially relic sites.
.


The isk from relic/date sites is pocket change compared to that of combat sites though...


difference is that I find relic/data sites a little more consistant in pay out, tho like you said it is lower than the "big ticket" items that you can get from combat sites.


The big thing is that the combat sites have the down side of taking longer than the relic and data sites, up side being that even if you don't get a item worth a lot, you end up with the bounties from the kills.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#15 - 2015-05-31 02:58:39 UTC
Nestor + scout?

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#16 - 2015-05-31 07:00:57 UTC
Try checking Stratios prices again. I think you will find they are nowhere near 500 Mil. And If you are using faction modules so will any equivalent fit be 500 Mil.
kyoukoku
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-05-31 07:17:24 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Try checking Stratios prices again. I think you will find they are nowhere near 500 Mil. And If you are using faction modules so will any equivalent fit be 500 Mil.


Indeed: ~260m ISK is the price to go for.
Belesia Velorea
The Fiendish Pixies
#18 - 2015-05-31 10:56:49 UTC
If you are going to run combat sites then there's not really any reason what so ever to run data/relic sites anymore. It will just reduce the effectiveness of the combat focused vessal and put you at more risk given there are no acc gates to buffer you from gankers. Not to mention that the isk you will make from running lowsec combat sites will vastly outscale what you get from the data/relic sites.

Also in lowsec you will only really want to run combat sites that have guaranteed faction spawns which for the most part are the 4,5,6/10 DED sites. You don't have to, you can run them all but it's simply a risk vs reward that you have to determine is comfortable for yourself. Most lowsec combat explorers run Faction Cruisers, HAC's or Tech 3's. If you're wanting more help or advice you should join the ingame "Scanning" chat channel. There's usually 30-60 people there sometimes more.
Riverwind Malukker
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2015-06-02 21:24:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Riverwind Malukker
If you want to run relic/data sites, train up for cov ops frig, in low sec where you don't have to worry about bubbles that's the best ship to do relics and data sites.

If you want to run combat sites, a HAC or a Tech 3 cruiser is what you want (or maybe a gila). Stratios is OK but not optimal.

I guess if you want to do both you can try a Tech 3 and carry around a mobile depot, but I generally don't like to do both in one ship, as you end up sacrificing something.

Recon cruisers are not exploration ships at all. You gain nothing over a covert ops frig (except cargo space, but relic/data loot doesn't take a lot of space) and they don't have the tank or the dps to run combat sites.
Captain Merkin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2015-06-02 22:40:11 UTC
ceptor with sisters launcher, pinpoint array, relic and data...... rigs to supplement.

free easy travel, super fast, job is a good un