EVE General Discussion

I would just like to know what this "wardec" thing is, and also why do people obsess about it so frequently?!

It's like a patio deck....except you shoot each other in game instead of dysfunctional family members over for a barbecue...

For my part, I simply haven't seen anyone posting on the NPC side who I'd want to hang out with. The majority of you are only posting here to defend the racket you have going, and I wouldn't be interested in playing the game with people like that.

Yes, via the surrender mechanic thingy. Or they can dissolve and reform, but that's considered to be bad form by most.
It's all about form, right?

Out in null, low, or WH space it's not such a big deal because well, anyone who's not blue isn't blue. But here in the 'burbs we have to pay the 50 to look the other way. The folks in NPC corps mostly get to spectate, but they still have to keep an eye out for gankers.


As far as positives for joining a player corp, they kind of vary depending on the corp.
I try to recruit prospective new members from three different categories.

The first is like-minded individuals who already have a love of pewing their fellow man. These guys can be a lot of fun, but sometimes our style doesn't fit them so they move on. No hard feelings for the ones who leave, awesome for those who stay.

The second is from those whom I've detonated. Most of these guys are kind of peeved at me for the sudden widening of their O-rings, so usually not interested. On the other hand I've had a few who's response to the experience was 'OMG that was AWESOME! ' or 'I swear revenge upon you and yours!'... which is great, as I'm more than willing to teach them how to do what I do, and I also will happily teach them how to murder me in the future.

And the third is the very much brand new newbieriffic newbros. These guys are awesome. Some don't fit in, and that's okay... others find something in the game that's truly pleasurable to them as a result and enjoy great fun. These are my favorite.

I also am an extremely nice guy.
I had to clarify to my coworkers who are keenly interested in this game (mostly the ex marines) that I'm not hostile at all, I'm simply very aggressive.
The person who's ship I'm blowing up, or who's blowing up my ship? They are at that moment my absolute favorite person in the game. I don't hate them, in fact I'm thankful that they've given me this opportunity to tangle with an opponent who thinks... something other than a bland AI to interact with. If they win, well then Good Fight to them! If I win, the same.

There is so much positivity in this thread. I love it. Cookies for all of you!

So I actually read about 50 pages of this thread...

But something occured to me earlier today. I stayed in CAS for a while, and I got a huge amount of support and advice and I doubt very much that I would still be here without that start. However, after reading the vast majority of this thread I find the most sensible attitiude to this issue is Scipio's. It's not about scrapping anything, it's about increasing interest and involvement early on so we have a diverse playerbase and so newbros don't quit in their first month.

I am not a good example of getting really immersed in Eve. I left CAS to join a corp my bf started and he doesn't play much anymore so it's essentially a one person corp now, so my opinion should be taken with a pinch of salt.

But what occured to me today was why do we have to narrow the experience down? We know players in NPC corps have a lower retention rate than players in player corps but we also know that newbros need access to a corp with lots of vets and advice to get them properly into Eve....but why can't they have both?

Maybe we could keep the NPC corps but say after a month you can also join a player corp? So your chat has Local, NPC corp (or racial corp) and player corp? I haven't completely thought this through, but it just struck me why completely throw out NPC corps (and I'm not sure this is the purpose at all anyway) when we could just split your corp future between NPC and player. I don't know what we'd do about tax, wardecs etc but the NPC could just be available and the player corp is your MAIN corp?


Again not sure it's the most well-thought out idea, but it appeals to me more than scrapping anything we already have.

Edit: Changed para for logic.

I'm not being funny, but I think they do and I think CCP have acknowledged that already. I'm not saying it's BECAUSE these new players are in NPC corps, they just don't leave the NPC corp for a player corp before they quit. And I don't think it's because they are more likely to leave if they are in an NPC corp, I think it's because they are more likely to leave because they are not in a good player corp.

And to the latter, don't we lose something like 90% of new players within 30 days? So it's not so much about the composition of NPC corps and whether they are full of alts or not, it's more about the fact that the experience of being in an NPC (unless it's CAS) is not sufficiently immersive.


Also, you COMPLETELY missed my point, which is why can't you have both - be in an NPC corp and a player corp? It wouldn't be hard to effect and might help the situation (although I reiterate that I have not considered the wider implications. I'm just thinking out loud). I would prefer opinions on that rather than the bothering with NPC versus player corps because that is not what I have been saying at all.

OK, link me to where that was stated.

I think it's a slightly longer timescale than that but yeah there's a high turnover rate for new players, but at no point did NPC corps get mentioned in that. The only observation made was that players who interact more tend to stay longer. That literally means what is sounds like, players who interact with others rather than "levelling their raven". I interact from and with NPC chars every day.

Why would you want to? Effectively being in an NPC corp is simply the absences of being in a player corp. If you were in a player corp you wouldn't need to be in the NPC corp.

But that was the basis of your reasoning. If we instead say "NPC corp players have as high a retention level as player corps" the entirety of the suggestion is rendered worthless since there's no problem for the solution being presented. So I'd say the most important part is whether or not there's actually a problem with NPC corps and player retention, which I don't believe there is.

You can take a common sense approach to interpreting the information CCP have released and on a number of occasions now they have said that higher retention is associated with joining a corp.

I just grabbed the quote from Rise from a few pages back that he made in relation to CCP's inability to validate that griefing is a major cause of new players leaving:


That was just the easiest example to grab, but it's been said multiple times now in relation to joining a corp being an indicator of higher retention.