Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Quality of life has always been a staple in New Eden and one aspect that is generally hard on players, especially newer players, whether it be in high, low, or null sec is the destruction of rigs upon removal. I'm sure there are reasons currently but with a little fine tuning reusing rigs can be possible. This can get really expensive especially if your using large to capital rigs. Because now depending on the type of roles you like to play you now have to spend for 2,3, or even more ships to meet your particular game play. For vets maybe not so hard but trying to get the new guy out there and capable in multiple ships can really be a hassle.

So the proposition:

Make Rigs reusable and not destroy on removal

Rules:
Cannot be removed using ship fitting services (carriers, nestors, etc)
Cannot be removed using Mobile depots
Ship must be in a station or (in the future maybe) moored to remove


In essence the rigs (if you want to look at them as a "major hull modification" type module like subsystems) can only be removed if you are docked in a station or in the future moored to a POS (or however that will work) for supers carriers etc. Essentially you have to be in a sense dry docked in some way in order to have them be removed and stored/maintain re-usability.

another stipulation could be that if you do remove them using a ship based, non "dry dock" type fitting service, then the rig will be destroyed. but that could bring about problems. So i would recommend not being able to remove in that fashion at all and keep it to must be "dry docked".

I think i speak for a vast amount of people when i say that i would rather have one ship be able to be refit to support multiple roles rather than have an ungodly amount of ships that have to support varying roles over a broad spectrum.

I'm sure there are holes in this somewhere as this was a really quick discussion i had earlier on the topic, but it does seem possible, simple, and an absolute improvement to overall player quality of life across a broad spectrum of EVE roles.

your reasoning? please enlighten us kind sir

Couldn't have put it better myself.

No. No.NO.

Rigs are like the ship version of implants and the game mechanics are richer for having both things that you can swap out (modules) and one-time-use enhancements that help round out your ship (rigs).

Yeah, no it hasn't.

Nothing wrong with the current system, don't fix what isn't broken.



Nope. And this thread seems to agree with me.

If a noob can't afford the ratting BS and the pvp bs....they are breaking rule 1 of eve, don't fly what you can't afford to lose.

Ratting BS that docks up and stays docked up while the fleet bs goes out for pvp is age old SOP in eve. If this i breaking the wallet...fit a pvp rig bs and pve in it. Isk per hour goes down maybe...but "pvp rigs" can pve just fine. Well scorpion/widow exceptions as they either enhance armour tank or jams. But tbh....I have eft'd these rides and even trying for a pve fit a lost cause really when so many other ships do it much easier.

Also not feeling the many ships needs....BS' are usually the most controlled of the fleet fits. There tends to be no guessing on the fit. Its spoon fed by alliance. Best I ever got in one home for my rokh's was 2 rigs told to me, 3rd rig slot optional. And well that slot not really optional....it was an em resist as fleet fit didn't fill in the em hole with enough bondo imo.

Caps same thing. Trying to get tears shed for them not going to work. The pity party of max isk per hour....you aren't getting it chief. TBH if I ran eve....caps would not be allowed in pve to begin with. So I'd solve your problem right there. Not the solution some would like though I know very well lol. Beyond that...general rig fit the cap(s) and when needed make your travel fit mod based not rigs.

Would never work: used duct tape is never as good as fresh off the roll.

Counter proposal: all rigs are permanent. To get rid of even one the ship must be repackaged.
Would be entertaining to see which idea people gate less.

Some rigs are OP without this sort of trade off, and t1 rigs are dirt cheap. So, two very good reasons why this is mostly a whine about "needing" t2 rigs on everything.