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Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2015-05-28 16:59:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Aralyn Cormallen
This is actually something that I suspect is getting in the way of the possibility of dockable Supers/Titans in the new Citadels - I suspect CCP enjoys the fact trust is required as part of commissioning/trading of Supers and Titans. If we get the ability to dock these ships in the new Citadels (which are touted as the "Trade" structure), they will be able to be dropped on the market or in contracts, and the special element of dealing to get one will be lost. Its tough... as a Super-owner myself, I enjoy that trust is required as part of the process of getting one, and that I had to wait while the hull was built, them haul all my mods out to the build system so I wouldn'y be makingh my first jump only in my pants, but in contrast, I dearly, dearly want to be able to get out my coffin.

Either way, I think something is going to get lost, or an opportunity is going to get missed.
Kashadin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2015-05-28 17:05:40 UTC
Last I saw you will be able to have your super "moored" to the L and XL structures, and while "moored" the ship will be invulnerable (as long as the station stays) and the pilot can swap ships.

Not the same as docking, but a step up for all the holder toons out there.
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#23 - 2015-05-28 19:27:40 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
So the issue is coding?
Gotcha

No, opportunity cost.

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-05-28 20:51:43 UTC
Lykouleon wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
So the issue is coding?
Gotcha

No, opportunity cost.

Hmm it will take us 7 months of 8 programmers working 10hr days and only accomplishing this (maybe)

Or we can have them all complete 25 mini projects during that time that will add improvements across the game to many areas all while not working so long and hard...


I took econ202 dude, i get it.

Still the issue for the difference of the two opportunity costs exist cuz of... take a wild guess? !



CODING!! YAY
Hippinse
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2015-05-28 21:48:43 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Lykouleon wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
So the issue is coding?
Gotcha

No, opportunity cost.

Hmm it will take us 7 months of 8 programmers working 10hr days and only accomplishing this (maybe)

Or we can have them all complete 25 mini projects during that time that will add improvements across the game to many areas all while not working so long and hard...


I took econ202 dude, i get it.

Still the issue for the difference of the two opportunity costs exist cuz of... take a wild guess? !



CODING!! YAY


Can't wait to play your game.
GordonO
BURN EDEN
#26 - 2015-05-29 02:02:53 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Lykouleon wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
So the issue is coding?
Gotcha

No, opportunity cost.

Hmm it will take us 7 months of 8 programmers working 10hr days and only accomplishing this (maybe)

Or we can have them all complete 25 mini projects during that time that will add improvements across the game to many areas all while not working so long and hard...


I took econ202 dude, i get it.

Still the issue for the difference of the two opportunity costs exist cuz of... take a wild guess? !



CODING!! YAY


Clearly you also took sales 101.. just quote some random stuff and its got to be true cause its on the interwebs Roll

... What next ??
Jenshae Chiroptera
#27 - 2015-05-29 02:07:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Agata Matahari wrote:
Why is there no implemented trading system for supers/titans in the game?
Just, why?
Supers and Titans are meant to be group goals, built in alliance for the same alliance and stay in the alliance.
They are not supposed to be traded at all.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
GordonO
BURN EDEN
#28 - 2015-05-29 02:20:22 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Agata Matahari wrote:
Why is there no implemented trading system for supers/titans in the game?
Just, why?
Supers and Titans are meant to be group goals, built in alliance for the same alliance and stay in the alliance.
They are not supposed to be traded at all.



supers are not supposed to dock, they don't. I suspect if you weren't supposed to trade them I can almost bet you wouldn't be able to...

... What next ??
Jenshae Chiroptera
#29 - 2015-05-29 11:57:03 UTC
GordonO wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Agata Matahari wrote:
Why is there no implemented trading system for supers/titans in the game?
Just, why?
Supers and Titans are meant to be group goals, built in alliance for the same alliance and stay in the alliance.
They are not supposed to be traded at all.
Supers are not supposed to dock, they don't. I suspect if you weren't supposed to trade them I can almost bet you wouldn't be able to...
Third party is a work around and has a lot of betrayal and losses. So it serendipity for the developers.

Also, the main way to stop trades would be to stop ejecting or stop others boarding, both of which mess up too many possibilities and weight too heavily. Thus third party is the more acceptable of those two options.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Stacy Lone
Nirakura Inc
Decisions of Truth
#30 - 2015-05-29 12:14:14 UTC
You can only trade things (on the market or via contracts) that are on a station.
Super and titans can not dock. So there is your simple explanation.

The reason supers and titans can not be docked is gameplay.

So, in order to make them tradeable, you would need to create a system in which you can trade them from a POS (or one of the new structures).

Trading from a POS has some many fallacies (both logical and from a coding point of view) it's simply not feasible. Imagine you could create a contract for a super or titan that is stored in a POS. No what happens if someone else removes the object from the SMA in the meantime?
If the object could not be removed from the SMA, then it would be the perfect way to store things safely in a POS (by contracting it to your alt), which isn't wanted either. You would need to work around all these logical fallacies and exploaitable ways and still be easily understood by players, just to make things tradeable, which aren't supposed to be owned by a single player in the first place.

So yeah, supers and titans are endgame ships that come with their own restrictions which makes owning them, especially solo, harder, which is wanted, gameplay-wise.
flakeys
Doomheim
#31 - 2015-05-29 12:47:18 UTC
Big Lynx wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Nothing stopping you from working towards becoming that claimed spacerich pilot...

But as for reason, being biased since I'm in the position I am, I can say it's a wonderful sandbox thing, something that would not have been possible with supers being dockable/tradeable. Even CCP themselves have used 3rd party services as a selling point in presentations of the sandbox.

Also in a way same reason as scamming is allowed, because it makes a more vibrating game play not set by pre-set rules and mechanics.

PS. Also nothing stopping you from not using a 3rd party. But if dealing with the wrong person it could become bad experience.

/c


Damn Chribba. You would become unemployed. xD



I can allready see him begging at the corner of the jita 4 undock for some iskies ...

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Agata Matahari
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2015-05-30 07:05:54 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Because it is more interesting that way.


It's the opposite. I cannot see that as justification for a few guys making a sheetload of money. And I am not jealous. I just see it as an imbalance.
Solstice Punk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2015-05-30 07:21:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Punk
Agata Matahari wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Because it is more interesting that way.


It's the opposite. I cannot see that as justification for a few guys making a sheetload of money. And I am not jealous. I just see it as an imbalance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmx1jpqv3RA

In any way do you have a personal issue.
People like Chribba have earned their spot and position over the years.

You come here and declare it an imbalance, while there is none.
Hard work pays off. You want to take it away from them.

It's a personal thing why you dislike it. Funnily enough it often is when people hide behind alts.
The real question is the one that reveals the reason why you would have an issue with it.

There definitely is no imbalance her, especially because there is nothing to balance it against.
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flakeys
Doomheim
#34 - 2015-05-30 09:55:33 UTC
Agata Matahari wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Because it is more interesting that way.


It's the opposite. I cannot see that as justification for a few guys making a sheetload of money. And I am not jealous. I just see it as an imbalance.



What imbalance ? Everyone can become a third party ...

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
#35 - 2015-05-30 11:03:58 UTC
Because whatever other safe trading mechanics you could come up with, would be abused the hell off to safely safeguard supers... Super proliferation is bad enough without permitting to safely store them...
Stacy Lone
Nirakura Inc
Decisions of Truth
#36 - 2015-05-30 12:56:43 UTC
Agata Matahari wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Because it is more interesting that way.


It's the opposite. I cannot see that as justification for a few guys making a sheetload of money. And I am not jealous. I just see it as an imbalance.

Then build trust and become a trusted 3rd party yourself, and cash in on it yourself. What's keeping you from it?
Bruce Kemp
Best Kept Dunked
#37 - 2015-05-30 20:59:01 UTC
Big Lynx wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Nothing stopping you from working towards becoming that claimed spacerich pilot...

But as for reason, being biased since I'm in the position I am, I can say it's a wonderful sandbox thing, something that would not have been possible with supers being dockable/tradeable. Even CCP themselves have used 3rd party services as a selling point in presentations of the sandbox.

Also in a way same reason as scamming is allowed, because it makes a more vibrating game play not set by pre-set rules and mechanics.

PS. Also nothing stopping you from not using a 3rd party. But if dealing with the wrong person it could become bad experience.

/c


Damn Chribba. You would become unemployed. xD


He could always go mining Lol
Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#38 - 2015-05-30 21:33:53 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Nothing stopping you from working towards becoming that claimed spacerich pilot...

But as for reason, being biased since I'm in the position I am, I can say it's a wonderful sandbox thing, something that would not have been possible with supers being dockable/tradeable. Even CCP themselves have used 3rd party services as a selling point in presentations of the sandbox.

Also in a way same reason as scamming is allowed, because it makes a more vibrating game play not set by pre-set rules and mechanics.

PS. Also nothing stopping you from not using a 3rd party. But if dealing with the wrong person it could become bad experience.

/c


in that case it is very stupid to have 3rd parties involved in a two way transaction

supers and caps should atleast a simple trade system..

if not ccp needs to just get with locking the super/titan down to that person for ever

make them non-tradeable.

there no need for 3rd parties at all

sorry this uber geek mess is for the birds, no wonder folks are leaving you guys cant ever have something simple quick and easy without debating and going into pretend world ... ever.
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#39 - 2015-05-30 21:42:07 UTC  |  Edited by: McChicken Combo HalfMayo
Chribba wrote:
Also in a way same reason as scamming is allowed, because it makes a more vibrating game play not set by pre-set rules and mechanics.

I've never heard of this vibrating game play. What is that? Sounds like something my ex would be into, the freak.

There are all our dominion

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#40 - 2015-05-30 21:44:56 UTC
Counter proposal:

Stop supers and titans from logging off, leaving them in space and if someone has boarded them in the mean time previous pilot(s) appear as pods near the ship when they log on.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
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