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James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#21 - 2015-05-26 02:09:10 UTC
Deep Nine wrote:
Christopher Mabata wrote:
Deep Nine wrote:
This isent about the mineral market.


Anything that has to do with mining is a part of the mineral market, except for gas harvesting and ice mining.

You cant separate the two, its impossible.


I wouldent. This thread is about faction crystals, not mineral market prices.

So something which increases the supply of a perfect commodity (trit from source A is absolutely the same as trit from source B in all functions except cost) is separated from the markets HOW?

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Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#22 - 2015-05-26 02:15:46 UTC
Couldn't have said it better myself

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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#23 - 2015-05-26 03:38:01 UTC
Deep Nine wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Deep Nine wrote:
Christopher Mabata wrote:
Deep Nine wrote:
This isent about the mineral market.


Anything that has to do with mining is a part of the mineral market, except for gas harvesting and ice mining.

You cant separate the two, its impossible.


I wouldent. This thread is about faction crystals, not mineral market prices.

[:Facepalm:]
If you really believe that, please, GTFO of the forums til you learn of what you speak.


I don't.

No.


No player could be this obtuse. He is obviously trolling. He started off in a rather sly manner, but now he has outed himself. 8/10

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#24 - 2015-05-26 09:00:46 UTC
OMG

This thing is still on going.
T1 crystals should require level I in their respected skill
Faction same
T2 crystals should take level IV.
Faction should be better than T1 over all (maybe even a range bonus)
But worse overall compared to T2.

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Anthar Thebess
#25 - 2015-05-26 09:04:22 UTC
Sure , why not.
This will boost ORE space.
Add % chance for them to drop in this area of eve , and this will be benefit for every one.

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Deep Nine
Vigilante Carebears
#26 - 2015-05-26 11:28:51 UTC
Quote:
T1 crystals should require level I in their respected skill
Faction same
T2 crystals should take level IV.
Faction should be better than T1 over all (maybe even a range bonus)
But worse overall compared to T2.



A range bonus is a good idea, but I don't think faction should be worse quality then T2.
Ansharah Opium
The Opium Sisters
#27 - 2015-05-26 18:32:03 UTC
if it was handled right it would help industry i like the idea of them lasting longer and having a slightly higher yield but they would need to be economized in price or like someone else mentioned, able to be bought with aur or found in sights
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#28 - 2015-05-26 18:51:49 UTC
Ansharah Opium wrote:
if it was handled right it would help industry i like the idea of them lasting longer and having a slightly higher yield but they would need to be economized in price or like someone else mentioned, able to be bought with aur or found in sights

Not just no but hell no to aurum. It is okay because currently all aurum items are cosmetic or not useful in the short term.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2015-05-26 20:36:20 UTC
Deep Nine wrote:
Quote:
T1 crystals should require level I in their respected skill
Faction same
T2 crystals should take level IV.
Faction should be better than T1 over all (maybe even a range bonus)
But worse overall compared to T2.



A range bonus is a good idea, but I don't think faction should be worse quality then T2.


It has to unless you want to cut miner's income.
Deep Nine
Vigilante Carebears
#30 - 2015-05-26 22:48:11 UTC

Quote:
It has to unless you want to cut miner's income.


Please explain this.
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#31 - 2015-05-26 23:02:01 UTC
Deep Nine wrote:

Quote:
It has to unless you want to cut miner's income.


Please explain this.

If faction crystals give higher yield they become the new standard, leading to greater overall yield across the game, leading to more minerals on the market, leading to lower mineral prices. The amount of income you'd earn with faction crystals would remain the same as today while using T1/T2 crystals would earn you less.

The solution to that problem would be making the faction crystals so expensive that it takes months of mining to earn a profit from it. This limits their use to serious, long term miners that know how to keep their ship safe.

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Specia1 K
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#32 - 2015-05-26 23:48:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Specia1 K
Make them only useable only in the ORE strip miners. Give em a nice bonus, on HULKs...

Then I (and alot of people) will create gank alts and cash in.

Everybody wins, no?

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2015-05-27 05:36:03 UTC
Deep Nine wrote:
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
They could last a very long time and be pretty expensive from the loyalty point store. This would help ensure they have a much higher price than t2 crystals as well as a much higher value.


Not completely out of the question, but I think they should be available on market like all other faction ammo.

As FT Diomedes said, most or almost all faction equipment comes either from LP stores or from faction rat loot, with Navy faction being overwhelmingly balanced toward LP stores.

The reason I suggested giving them a very long lifetime as well as a very high cost is so that there is a risk involved in using them--if you lose your ship, you may lose a lot of crystal time. But the crystals must pay off in the long run for those lucky enough to use them all the way up, or else it isn't worthwhile.

It probably won't be worthwhile to most people, but that won't stop them from buying the crystals anyway, which will inflate their market price much higher than it's worth, but hey, that's part of EVE and not something to fuss about.

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DrDrDr Ursus
SYNDIC Unlimited
#34 - 2015-05-27 16:21:19 UTC
So, in short, *another* shiny things for carebears, with no utility for the 90% who are in space to PvP.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2015-05-27 16:46:58 UTC
McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:
This limits their use to serious, long term miners that know how to keep their ship safe.


Can you repair mining crystals?

Never used them...
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#36 - 2015-05-27 17:34:03 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:
This limits their use to serious, long term miners that know how to keep their ship safe.


Can you repair mining crystals?

Never used them...

No.
Just like regular laser crystals.
Which leads to frequent forum whines from the CDO.

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Deep Nine
Vigilante Carebears
#37 - 2015-05-30 09:20:35 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:
This limits their use to serious, long term miners that know how to keep their ship safe.


Can you repair mining crystals?

Never used them...


No.
Deep Nine
Vigilante Carebears
#38 - 2015-06-04 12:47:10 UTC
I'm glad to see there is no real rebuttle or counter proposal.
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