Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The idea in this game is if someone else has what you want TAKE IT FROM THEM. If you cant take it from them that's your problem. If the moon goo wasn't a static source why would any one fight over the moon goo? they wouldn't, they would in fact bunker down even more and wait for it to cycle to their system. your idea doesn't change much of they dynamics other then who happens to have access to certain kinds of moon goo.

The fact is if you want people to actively hunt and fight for resources you make it so that these resource are static like they are, other wise why would I risk hundreds of billions in ISK for 1 months worth or moon goo.

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Its a valid concern we all want people to have incentive to take stuff from others however resources shouldn't be an infinite supply that allows a large null sec alliance to entrench themselves and make that resource next to impossible to capture. To answer your question people would fight for moon goo when the resources expended would be less than the resources capture, Which could be found out by probing the moon. I imagine a 4-6 month window for moons but really this time would need tweeking depending on how much additional conflict was generated by longer term moons vers short term moons...

As to bunkering down waiting for it to cycle to their system their is no sure fire way to assume that a more valuable moon goo would come into your system as such alliances would consistently be on the hunt for rare moons.

This wouldn't be a simple form of taking from large alliances and giving to poor alliances.. Large alliances would still have the benefit of numbers and resources in finding, establishing, and defending high value resources. However they would need to put more effort into maintaining their level of income.

This actually was in part the reason why the resources would move around so that it would require effort to entrench moons and keep it. It would generate conflict and in eve conflict is good.

All I read was "I want more expensive T2 ships/mods and logistics I hate you, I hate you, I hate you!"

But alas, any mechanic that forces warfare and relocation will in the end fall upon those who handle these logistics. It's well known that logistic pilots make the content for everyone else. But anything that makes such a task constant... that's not fun for anyone honestly.


This "blue doughnut," by which you actually mean coalitions, is caused simply because of power in numbers. No mechanic can be implemented that goes against this except for adding diminishing returns (DR) to damage/repair module's application and power. Which has NO place in EVE, which means power in numbers will always remain dominant. Even with a DR, all that forces is multiple target callers. So again, not a valid option.

In the end you will never actually break up friendships within the game's leadership, you can only hope to test those friendships by introducing a mechanic(s) that act to dangle a carrot to their members. Which typically means it would need to be tied to some sort of NPC action or spawn which remains until contested then moves randomly.


Example (not exactly serious):
Incursion type-event which spawns within a single region until the previous one is subverted.

-Lore can write it off as that faction's leaders training and gathering forces to move in on the weakened empire or launch a counter offensive on the drifter threat themselves.
-The event is endless unless all their capital production facilities are destroyed.
-Several static and non-respawning production facilities would appear around the region to be targeted by opposing forces (or the inhabitants of the region)
-Upon destruction a new region will be selected and the event will begin anew within a short period of time.

While these exist:
-Higher level combat sites will appear within the region offering larger rewards
-Increased data/relic site spawn rate
-Increased ore availability
-Increased faction and officer spawns


Line members will want to fight to have and hold these events within their region. Players must move to contest other regions, while their actual home systems are less likely to exchange hands outside of typical sov warfare. Still a lot of logistics, but not a complete relocation nightmare.

When you occupy an areas it is a long term plan to build up the infrastructure, supply chain, the stations and so on. You don't really want to disassemble all structures, repackage them (if possible), move them across the univers and then build them up again.

Before thinking about new ideas I would wait how FozziSov (c) will change the game.

So for now: no

Why would you fight for a moon that might be worthless 2 week down the line before it even payed back the ship loses you incurred conquering said moon? Are people supposed to know in advance when moons will deplete? Are they suppose to blind siege moon in hope there is at least a few week worth of material left in there before the next "reset"?

Moon goo really needs to move. The concept of a large static passive isk faucet sucks the fun out of eve at every server tick.

Why would you fight for a moon that might be worthless in 2 weeks?? Here's where your logic foul comes into play. You're stuck in the current rut that ALL the high end moon goo NEEDS to be controlled by one or two large groups. It would cause a shift in moon goo at a very basic level.

Here's the idea. Moon goo gets depleted after some interval of mining. That would be based on some preset timer (for time I'd suggest 8 - 12 months until depleted - would vary, but long enough to get some stable use out of it). Whatever the time - it periodically moves. There would be no data dump available that would reveal the locations of the various moon goo deposits. If you want them - you have to interact with the game and scan the moons.

1. Here's what would happen: System owners would scan their systems periodically looking to hit the jackpot. That could be weekly/daily/monthly - the interval would be up to the guy scanning the moon. JACKPOT - a guy finds a newly discovered high end deposit. He's got some options.
a) keep it quiet and reap personal profits
b) tell his corp/alliance and make it a group asset (this could be an alliance / corp requirement)
c) he stupidly reports it to some coallition overlord so they can roll in and loot the asset from his system. (dumb)
Would the spice..... er goo still flow? Of course. It's just handled at a level chosen by the grunt that scanned down the moon. It would give null owners and additional reason to log in and actually do something in eve (in lieu of playing mech warrior online and monitor eve for a ping of importance).

2. Here's what wouldn't happen: A few large groups wouldn't be able to lock down a passive source of income via the blob. There are just too many moons in eve for 8 guys to keep track of. You said it yourself - It wouldn't be worth the risk/effort to mobilize 5000 guys to take over and hold a single moon goo resource that would pack up and move in a few months all on its own.

3. Here's what else wouldn't happen. T2 prices wouldn't quadrupliply. It would no longer by managed by a 2 or 3 dude monopoly. Competition would break out. No more price controls. The slim profit margin that rests at the buy and build level for t2 ships would move back to the high end moon goo level of the process. Just as invention broke the t2 BPO monopoly and dropped the price of a hulk from 600 mil to it's current values - T2 prices would drop (to a lesser extent) as the goo monopoly was removed.

4. Here's who should be against nonstatic moon goo. The small portion of characters that make insane profits off of it. The somewhat larger group of pilots that use it to fuel SRP and other things on the corp / alliance level. Taking this static free isk faucet away will totally ruin the way eve is played by a few individuals.

5. Here's who should be all for nonstatic moon goo - everyone that isn't one of the small group of guys in #4 above.

Again, moon goo won't cease to flow. It just won't be easily controlled by a sellect few. It will just be handled at a lower level.

To the OP. Moon goo has a minor at best effect on space buddies online. They are coalitioned up and blue donutted up to minimize risk to their eve way of life. That's about maintaining stability and controlling the masses. Sure it's a straw for the camel's back, but don't expect moving moon goo around to stand alone and break the donut. Breaking that will have to be the summation of manyseveral things.

If at least you understood what an ISK faucet is...



No matter how many people control it, if you can't know for how long you can keep it at it's current projected level of profit, you won't siege it. If it's material change 3 days down the line, you will be stuck having sieged a useless moon.

Can't wait for all the content created by corp/alliance operations with negative ROI...

GJ guys, the loss of 3 bill in ships to conquer that moon now enable us to farm it for the hmmmmm... 2 bill worth of ressources still in it. Don't worry about the value of the tower not being included or the upkeep to keep it running.

This will be great.

so, in summary:

alliances wont fight for moons if they stand still but they will definitely move if it moves around randomly.

Using your space and fighting to protect it devalues it.

Also, youre a few games patches too late, blue dont already got its chunks bitten off.