Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ok, this may "upset" or get some annoyed, but please think it through before jumping into the fire. Posting on an alt for obvious reasons.

When an active player wishes to branch out into a new direction, he either abandons his current path or has to restart from scratch and spend one or two years to master the basics he is used to on a daily basis.

The suggestion is, to allow for a sensible cost, to clone his current skills onto another alt in his allocation of three.

This then enables a multiple training certificate each month to allow him to branch off into another opportunity/role.

Naturally, to protect the character bazaar, the affected account would be unable to transfer their alts to another player.

This would allow players to reasonably multitrain for various roles, and encourage the sale of multi character training certificates to provide additional income to CCP as it is likely that the majority of players would after the one year point make use of this.

This would more than balance the few who are currently willing to spend a year training a second toon from scratch other than cyno/PI/limited alts etc.

Would you find this useful? And would you pay to train both extra slots if you did not have to start each from scratch?

No, would encourage people to circumvent established punishment for things like AWOXing and corp theft by making throw away alts that can be trained up for nothing.

If you want a new toon that has basic skills already, then buy one.


Also redundant.

[ Sarc] Sweet. New plan to abuse this. Buy 150m SP toon with a terribad reputation. Clone their skills to get new, shiny main with no reputation issues and biomass the dirty toon. Clean account, clean API, tons more SP and all of it enabled by this simple change. +9999 [ /sarc]

No.

It is abusable, and why the "alts" become dumb would take some real explaining. also, why you don't just use a cascade fill by rotating the "main" to effectively triple the rate of SP gain if there are 3 different skills you want. It is a fairly simple to abuse mechanism, which is why it hasn't ever been proposed seriously by the devs.

No.

If you want to switch from PvE to PvP, it's mindset, rather than skills, that you need to change. Most skills you use in PvE transfer to PvP hulls, with just a few extra support skills added in. Just shed any risk aversion you may have, throw together a t1 frigate, and go lose it in lowsec. You'll quickly learn what's up with PvP, because those nasty pirates in lowsec are quite nice and usually willing to talk to you about what you did wrong.
If you want to mine, it only takes a week or so to train up for a mining barge, where you can quickly realize that mining is boring and you should probably do something else.
Want to margin trade on the market? Again, it's a matter of a week or two to get the necessary skills to dip your hand into that cesspool. Enjoy all the scam ads posted in Jita local.
Trying your hand at hauling? It's a day to train any of the racial industrials to 4, which is a much cheaper investment for you to lose than a multi-billion isk freighter.
Looking into farming isk in PvE? We have a method in my corp for newbies to start playing one day, start making isk on the 3rd day, and have their first billion by the end of their first week. Yes, this is real, and no, I won't tell you how. This is proprietary info held by my corp, and not my place to give it out.

All these are mere examples. Bottom line is that it is only your own imagination that makes you think you need a lot of skills to do whatever. Sure, you won't be as efficient at it as someone who has spent years devoting training into it, but then again, someone who's spent five years earning a living as a journeyman welder is always going to be better than the new apprentice who picked up his first stick last week. In EvE, however, you can always go to the character bazaar and buy a journeyman welder, and go live as him for a while.

Edit: Oh, I almost forgot. If you have to post an idea using a forum alt because you're afraid of repercussions, then it probably isn't a good idea to begin with.

Where are you getting this imaginary 2 years of retraining from? With the exception of switching from PvE to PvP, or vice versa, no career track in EvE really uses any skills from any of the others. Even in Industry, the skills you use for mining are different from the ones you use for production, which are different from the ones you use for invention. Hauling can use some of the same support skills as PvE, but that's maybe half a dozen skills tops. Maybe 2 months to lvl 5 them.

Seriously the most garbage thing I've read in F&I ever.

This coming from me, one of the harbingers of "EVE needs an all new game engine, from scratch."

I can't even...

so entitled.

You can buy fresh characters trained for the sole purpose of being sold. It's like a virgin in a brothel.

This has to be the most important point in the thread.

Mainly because the idea is really not nice...

It does...clearly that's why he posted under an alt :D