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Bumping Tactics

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orlando carlo
Dragron Riders Inc
#1 - 2015-05-27 16:03:41 UTC
I just want to report that the bumping mechanics are broke big time. I just lost a busterd because a little ship kept bumping me so I could not go into warp.

If a ship bumps a ship he should take damage. At this time he takes no damage Due to this I lost both a skiff and busterd.
This condition has led to a tactic that is both unfair and unreasonable. Anytime someone initiates a bump tactic THERE SHOULD BE DAMAGE GIVEN TO THE SHIP THAT DOES THE BUMPING.
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-05-27 16:06:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Rowells
#bumpingisalegittactic

And whats to say you're bustard wouldnt have died anyway do to bumping?
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#3 - 2015-05-27 16:12:33 UTC  |  Edited by: FT Diomedes
orlando carlo wrote:
I just want to report that the bumping mechanics are broke big time. I just lost a busterd because a little ship kept bumping me so I could not go into warp.

If a ship bumps a ship he should take damage. At this time he takes no damage Due to this I lost both a skiff and busterd.
This condition has led to a tactic that is both unfair and unreasonable. Anytime someone initiates a bump tactic THERE SHOULD BE DAMAGE GIVEN TO THE SHIP THAT DOES THE BUMPING.


If you had bothered to fit a Medium Micro Jump Drive, you probably would not have died.

But instead of fitting your ship properly, I think we should just change the entire way the game works, right? Why wouldn't it damage both ships if bumping caused damage? Are the servers supposed to sense your intent?

To sum up, please go whine somewhere else.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

admiral root
Red Galaxy
#4 - 2015-05-27 16:37:04 UTC
Cross-posting is bad, mmkay. Still 0/10.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Iain Cariaba
#5 - 2015-05-27 16:41:31 UTC
#tears
Paranoid Loyd
#6 - 2015-05-27 16:41:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Your fit needed to be killed. Anyone who puts a 1mn MWD on their DST is asking for it. Not to mention cargo rigs and expanders that don't bonus your main hold. Ugh

Learn to fly and fit your ship properly don't blame game mechanics.

And be careful what you wish for, if ships cause damage when bumping, people will simply use an appropriate amount of ships and ram you to death instead of holding you in place. Twisted

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Fix the Prospect!
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-05-27 16:43:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Frostys Virpio
Cargo expander and cargo rigs on s ship that haul the most in a bay not affected by them. I guess that 5749 m3 was worth it...

Especially with an empty fleet hangar...
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-05-27 16:45:14 UTC
He's got a point though....

Not on the damage aspect, that would turn out bad.
If ships did damage, these guys would just heavy tank and mass fit a bunch of BS's and bump you to death without Concord interruption.

However, it shouldn't be so easy for a small ship to bump a larger ship.

We'll do it this way

Frig v frig/destroyer = good bump
frig v cruiser = ok bump
frig v BC = weak bump
frig v BS = practically useless
frig v anything else = laughable

A frig shouldn't be able to bump the front of a Titan and keep it from going into warp by slowing down velocity.
Sure, if you factor it is space, equal and opposite reaction.
However, this doesn't factor thrust.
A Titan would have so much thrust from its engines that all the force would be applied to the frig.


I've bumped myself, and not going to say that it shouldn't be possible, but it should at least be reasonable.
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#9 - 2015-05-27 16:48:48 UTC
Mass and speed are already accounted for in the bump formula. Thread is a redundant rant, and reported as such.

Talking more,

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And drinking more

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#10 - 2015-05-27 17:30:15 UTC
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#11 - 2015-05-27 18:32:18 UTC
Delete bumping.

Give us collisions with damage based on size and speed of impact.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Iain Cariaba
#12 - 2015-05-27 18:39:20 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
Delete bumping.

Give us collisions with damage based on size and speed of impact.

Yay!!! Then I'll be able to drive a plated, MWD battleship into the jita undock. Bowling for wrecks sounds like fun.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2015-05-27 18:54:02 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
Delete bumping.

Give us collisions with damage based on size and speed of impact.

Yay!!! Then I'll be able to drive a plated, MWD battleship into the jita undock. Bowling for wrecks sounds like fun.


100MN MWD cruiser probably generate better impacts with their much higher top speed.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#14 - 2015-05-27 19:05:03 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:
He's got a point though....
No, he really doesn't.

Reported for ranting and cross posting.

Also, this.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Iain Cariaba
#15 - 2015-05-27 19:08:24 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
Delete bumping.

Give us collisions with damage based on size and speed of impact.

Yay!!! Then I'll be able to drive a plated, MWD battleship into the jita undock. Bowling for wrecks sounds like fun.


100MN MWD cruiser probably generate better impacts with their much higher top speed.

Nah, mach will work best. Near cruiser speeds with battleship mass for max effective damage.
Lyra Gerie
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-05-27 20:26:36 UTC
Did you have any kind of prop mod? A cloak maybe? Did you try running back through the gate or maybe finding another route?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-05-27 20:53:56 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
Delete bumping.

Give us collisions with damage based on size and speed of impact.

Yay!!! Then I'll be able to drive a plated, MWD battleship into the jita undock. Bowling for wrecks sounds like fun.


100MN MWD cruiser probably generate better impacts with their much higher top speed.

Nah, mach will work best. Near cruiser speeds with battleship mass for max effective damage.


If you really only fit for 1600 plates, powergrid and a 100MN MWD, you can get a better mass:speed ratio out of the devoter I think. This is of course all stupid as damage from collision won't happen.
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#18 - 2015-05-27 22:15:30 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
Delete bumping.

Give us collisions with damage based on size and speed of impact.

Yay!!! Then I'll be able to drive a plated, MWD battleship into the jita undock. Bowling for wrecks sounds like fun.


100MN MWD cruiser probably generate better impacts with their much higher top speed.

Nah, mach will work best. Near cruiser speeds with battleship mass for max effective damage.


If you really only fit for 1600 plates, powergrid and a 100MN MWD, you can get a better mass:speed ratio out of the devoter I think. This is of course all stupid as damage from collision won't happen.

If you do it right, a vagabond with 100mn MWD actually does best if we use some variant of MWD which is light on PG and the lower PG plates. True, it derives this mostly based on the extreme top speed, but it is precisely this speed which makes it such an effective tool for turning into an overgrown KEW-ball.

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#19 - 2015-05-27 22:57:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Christopher Mabata
orlando carlo wrote:
I just want to report that the bumping mechanics are broke big time. I just lost a busterd because a little ship kept bumping me so I could not go into warp.

If a ship bumps a ship he should take damage. At this time he takes no damage Due to this I lost both a skiff and busterd.
This condition has led to a tactic that is both unfair and unreasonable. Anytime someone initiates a bump tactic THERE SHOULD BE DAMAGE GIVEN TO THE SHIP THAT DOES THE BUMPING.


Yay ragepost TwistedPirateBear

Also CCP has said no less than 1,268 times that bumping is a 100% intended mechanic and is still working as intended, collision mechanics such as that do not exist for a reason, namely that trade hub undocks would become scrapheap warfare and promote various degrees of unwanted CONCORD response for illegal aggression and so on.

Buy another bustard and get over it
OR
Learn the cloak MWD trick

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James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#20 - 2015-05-27 23:17:44 UTC
Christopher Mabata wrote:
orlando carlo wrote:
I just want to report that the bumping mechanics are broke big time. I just lost a busterd because a little ship kept bumping me so I could not go into warp.

If a ship bumps a ship he should take damage. At this time he takes no damage Due to this I lost both a skiff and busterd.
This condition has led to a tactic that is both unfair and unreasonable. Anytime someone initiates a bump tactic THERE SHOULD BE DAMAGE GIVEN TO THE SHIP THAT DOES THE BUMPING.


Yay ragepost TwistedPirateBear

Also CCP has said no less than 1,268 times that bumping is a 100% intended mechanic and is still working as intended, collision mechanics such as that do not exist for a reason, namely that trade hub undocks would become scrapheap warfare and promote various degrees of unwanted CONCORD response for illegal aggression and so on.

Buy another bustard and get over it
OR
Learn the cloak MWD trick

Considering the dictors on the KM, maybe consider an MJD?

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp
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