Player Features and Ideas Discussion

As far as I know, it has not shown up here. One of the things I was aiming the stat buffs at was pushing all lock ranges to 95km+ with max skills, so fleet bonuses, one module or rig got it over the critical 100km threshold, and increasing the scan res on every battleship somewhat.

Yes it can be but look what we have right now, take a Megathron into lowsec and only very few seconds later you will have 23 sleipnirs and 3837274 rapiers or huggins on the field until 23736718389757281 ishtars arrive to 'get on zee mail'..

If you fraps that 10 second fight you will see that one regular web slows down a battleship that moves very slow by natur already that by definition it is pinned down, scrams or not.

Leaving the mwd on increases the already large signature by a ton and let's the battleship take even more damage - even heavy missile damage.
So even if you had a mjd on that Megathron to jump 100km of and start shooting with long range guns or not a dual-prob fit with something that can be called an active tank, your options on your weaponary is very limited on this fit already.

Make the BS class the jack of all trades, makes sense to me.

It won't outshine the original ships in their own class, it's lack of speed and other size related details prevents that.

This ship SHOULD be the king of sub-caps, IMHO.

Great to see such a thread! Love my BS's and would like to be able to use them more.

You guys are putting a lot of brainjuice into re inventing the wheel though.

I think it should all start off with undoing that warp speed nerf. We've all seemed to just accept it now but c'mon, there was absolutely no one complaining about battleship warp speed mobility before they nerfed it (which makes it really strange that there are some now that defend it). They just grabbed onto a warp progression idea that looked good on paper and did it, severely nerfing the battleship. Reverse that error, and much of the battleships woes are undone as well. Yes there's power creep from it's 'under' classes but T3 et al needs to be addressed with it's own balance.

Take away the shackles of the warp nerf that never needed be instituted and everything comes back into a better balance, with the lesser field mobility, scan res etc offset by large weapons better damage projection, but right now, battleships arrive on field with the speed of a kneeling bus stooping for the elderly. It's simply too slow.

it's a strange thing indeed, since I've never seen anything written on what it accomplished.

Baboli you're better at theory crafting then me have you looked into the plate tiericide? Because unless i am reading that wrong plates are going to give less ehp and be easier to fit on armor t3s...

Now i love my legion dont get me wrong but that feels a bit odd from a "we just nerfed the plus HP subsystem" standpoint...

Im all for undoing the warp speed nerf to bcs and bs but if you look at the original thread announcing that change, its pretty much all praise. So lets be honest here, plenty of people agreed with the nerf back then.

RLML would be bonused if I read the bonuses correctly. However, why bring a barghest when an orthrus will do similar tricks, be much faster, pump similar DPS, lock faster, be more agile and mitigate damage better?

I know a few guys who use the Barghest for PVP. Good people to fight.

This is probably going to be an unpopular opinion, but speaking from the perspective of small gang pvp, Battleships don't require a MASSIVE overhaul. In fact several battleship hulls are quite strong, namely: Machariel, Armageddon, Dominix, Bhargest and Typhoon. The battleships that suffer the most are the ones that were previously kings of large null doctrines: i.e. Maelstrom and Abaddon (i.e. the slowest ships with no application bonus and no utility high slot). I'm not an expert at large fleet PvP but I would imagine the issue there is bombers and sentry cruisers.