EVE General Discussion

Ever since I can remember gaming companies tried to entice potential customers to their products by giving them a taste of the finished product. This was done by producing screenshots, video's, interviews with developers and demo's. Its a practice that (I hope you agree) is still quite prevalent today.

However since CCP experienced our sea of discontent as so aptly portraited by Fiddlers Edge we have been left in the dark. We know that certain devs have good ideas, we know that they have asked for feedback on their plans and this is all well and good. However of the coming establishments, open area's and of the new additional CQ's we have seen nothing recent. Neither have we seen any kind of information regarding other plans in EVE At least not those of us who have not signed an NDA.

Sure CCP has done some interviews, saying all kinds of stuff. They say they are balancing every ship in the game. They also say they are going to redesign 0.0 over the coming 5 years, these changes span from introducing "smallholds" to making smaller alliances viable in 0.0 (with treaties I presume). These plans are needed and welcome but in which way will EVE benefit from all this discussion and planning in practice in the coming year? We have no idea, but the next expansion is only 3 months away.

Why does CCP continue to stealth about upcoming plans, ideas and new features. I am sure that many things need to be ironed out but on the other hand certain things and ideas must have progressed in such a way that they are scheduled for a release somewhere between now and early june? I dearly hope that for instance CQ's are more then halfway finished by now since the CSM got a preview of them in June. How are the new ship skins coming or the nerfing of the dramiel or the balancing of other ships?

What is stopping CCP to inform their clients, on the product that they subscribe to? Vague promises of changes just about on the horizon without context we allready have received. These in itself are not the problem, the lack of any other input to wet our appetites for new eve content is. We have not even seen a dedicated page to Incarna or the coming winter expansion. Nor have we seen or heard anything about what exactly the goal will be in the upcoming "establishments".

Last night several of my friends who are already unsubbed got a mail about how CCP invited them back to EVE assuring them that CCP had no plans to implement game breaking items in the NeX store. While this is one of the issues many people unsubbed over they did not address the issues completely nor did they offer any new or exciting changes to their potential new customers. Overal the mail was an unconvincing, almost sad attempt to tempt people back without any real changes. These are not my words, but the opinion of the people receiving the mail.

If we can make dev blogs about two new shirts and a skirt being released on the NeX, it couldn't hurt about making one about the upcoming new skins of the ships and the ability to paint them. I don't think that a devblog like that would be received badly by any Capsuleer and it is just one example out of many topics that could be discussed in a positive way.
This would benefit both CCP, their players and the bitter old vets of which I know I am one. Like I said before, inside every bitter vet there is a fanboy, screaming to get out and play. Give us a chance to release him/her.

What is the point for CCP in making public statements - only to be agressed by an angry player spawn in the forums?

EVERYTHING that comes from CCP nowadays is taken badly.

EVERYTHING that is said or written by an employee of CCP is taken as a promise - and whined upon if it's no realized in time and at the exact form.

Why should they bother anymore?

I disagree.

Look at what Hilmar said in his e-mail: "Now is the time where we watch more of what our players do and less of what they say." I'm paraphrasing, of course. And while he made a point, that lip service is pointless, the rub is that CCP must also be held to that standard.

So far, they have failed spectacularly. The CSM and CCP want us to wait a few months to see results, when the results from the emergency summit in July haven't even manifested. In fact, CCP is still worried about the NeX and it's impact The fact everyone got 1,000 AUR and CCP is saying we'll get more when "certain milestones" are reached with this EVE is Real crap is proof of this.

CCP said in their little presentation that the Butterfly Effect has a profound effect on the server. It does. Look at how people protested in Jita and Amarr during the whole Monoclegate issue. A small group of people said no, pointed people to the threadnaught, and CCP's lack of a response snowballed into Jita and Amarr being pretty much uninhabitable.

The CSM has been told what they want to hear to shut them up. Period. CCP is playing the exact same game the CSM is playing, and they are playing it better because even the CSM is fooled. Not that it's that hard, considering who most of them are. But the fact of the matter is, CCP has not followed through. Yes, you will always have players calling BS on CCP. But until the company actually starts following through on the promises, those people have a leg to stand on.

Well unless you have been living under a rock, it should be clear that CCP is in a lose lose situation with its fan base. Every change they propose has fierce opposition simply because their is zero consensus in the community. To some the null sec changes are a blessing, to others its grounds for a divorce. There are examples like this throughout every single element of the game and the playerbase rips everything apart line by line, word by word. A CCP employee could come on the forums just to say hi and it will turn into a threadnaught of insanity in minutes with stuff like "don't you have work to do?" or "Why are you saying hi instead of fixing supercaps!"..

There is nothing they can say or do that will quell the Eve population, right now they are like an angry lynch mob that just needs to hang somebody, anybody!

The only thing to be said about this situation right now is that there are people at CCP and on the CSM that are still trying, despite the immense and begrudgingly unforgiving Eve community. The hate is so fierce right now that personally the best thing they can do is just let the game die a little. Let a hundred thousand players quit, let them whine and call it CCP's NGE and than when they are gone go back to making the game they want to make and let real fans of the game enjoy it. Its what happen to Star Wars Galaxies and to be frank while the post NGE days where a horrible mess, a year later a community emerged to support the game and kept the developers busy for 6 years. That may in fact what ends up happening to Eve and in a way it may be the best thing that could happen to the game at this point.

im pretty sure if tehy rolled back to apoc, everyone would be happy. the expansions since have been total bullshit. ok incursions had some npc stuff, if you like that kinda thing. but pi and man barbie are a ******* joke

Well I got the same letter and really as there is no need the flame more but it was another slight CCP failure.

So I click it since I wanted to reactivate to get some stuff out of the character I forgot when cancelling.

get to the login screen and there is an error message saying I am not eligible to reactivation.

So they send me a letter apologizing bla bla we will get better and actually messed even that up


Come on CCP you have a great game but really you need to get some real quality management practices and processes in place.
You wonder why half the player base is making fun of you this constant poor performance shabby coding bugs .ini the first take on new forums etc.

Even when you filter out all the Emo raging and take a closer look in the mirror and you try to be objective you really are doing a bad job as company.

Your own employees are posting about total lack of corporate discipline on career websites I think it is time that management should do something.

We can disagree on resource placement and it is your game after all but purely from a corporate perspective you are doing horrible job as a software developer house on quality even Microsoft or Turbine looks good in comparison.

Processes are good you have grown it is time to get corporate.

looking at the online graph, most users online would link up nicely with apoc. so while getting RMR days back would be awesom. most poeple playing eve would be around about apoc.

the vocal minorty is vocal while the none vocal people are leaving. which one is better? i personnaly dont know.
if people are happy playing eve great. i like playing eve also, im just disapointed with the direction ccp seam to be taking recently. also im unhappy with the current drop in standard with tehe product they are rolling out. should i not say anything about a game i do enjoy and have played for 6 years that in my mind is circling the drain?

its funny you say that, you know how many leaving eve mails and forum posts ive seen on internal alliance and corp forums(note i have 7 accounts and have been in many alliances and corps in the last few months). these are people that dont come to the eve forums ever, the majority of these people are older players 03's through 08's that have just had enough of the bullshit thats being pushed out. so while i respect you view point. its not one i or the online figures share.

No it does not it is the downward trend of the concurrent active player counts that does. You can do even year to year comparison but it is going down.

When was the last time the record was broken.