Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Something other than +50HP a level.

Anything that resembles a real bonus.

Even if it isn't any good, as long as it appears to be a real bonus.

Nerf something and give it a bonus to get just above the nerfed stats. Give it a situational bonus like lock range or ewar strength. Just a real bonus.

This is a pretty good list of things that need to happen.

Changing slots to 6/5/3 and dropping launchers to 4 keeps it in line with the others. Loss of damage? Maybe, but you have that extra low slot for a BCS.

Change that 5% ROF to 10% damage, just like the Svipul and Confessor.
Then scrap your shield bonus (remember we're stripping a mid slot too), bake more shields into the hull, and add in 10% missile explosion velocity per level.

So, 4 launchers after bonuses brings it up to 9 total, but it can apply damage quite well. Swap around the 33/66 spread on Propulsion mode to make it similar to the other T3Ds, or it really won't see much use.

I understand the idea behind not making the T3Ds carbon copies of each other, and to be sure, there is something desirable about that. But that isn't the pattern established with the Svipul and Confessor, and the current iteration of the Jackdaw doesn't measure up at all. If this were to go live as is, the role of the Jackdaw would be to use the ship's incredible agility to turn and run when the opponent shows up in a different T3D, because it's just not much of a contest at the moment.

Even T1 frigs don't use the small shield extender, and you think adding one to a T3D is a good idea?

To be clear: I'm not saying the ship did or didn't need a nerf - I'm just saying that a small shield extender's worth of hp should be rolled into it's base stats and that as a bonus, it is completely un-inspired and dull.

If you don't want to give it a dps/tank bonus, consider giving it a utility bonus like any of the following:

15% ECM strength per level (utillity fits - the caldari have an ewar battleship, why not an ewar destroyer?)
10% bonus to sensor strength per level (so an ECCM)
5% reduction in shield booster cap usage - to encourage active fits that don't use ancillary boosters

If the Jackdaw is going to be the slowest and have the least DPS of the T3 destroyers, it should at least be the tankiest. Keep the tactical destroyer bonuses similar to the other T3s (10% bonus to rocket/LML damage, 5% bonus to ROF). Then, change the 33.3% bonus on shield resistances to 66.6% bonus and reduce the velocity bonus in sharpshooter mode to 33.3%. If that is too OP, at least change the signature bonus to a 66.6% reduction, then buff the base sensor strength a bit so you could be near unprobeable in defensive mode alone.

Alright, so 5% per level is too much, and a flat-bonus is inconsistent with other bonuses (and 50hp seems underpowered).

Is there a reason nobody has suggested the obvious thing, which is to just reduce the 5% to 2-4%? I haven't run the numbers or anything, but that seems to be the obvious way to tone-down a bonus that is too strong.

Hi Fozzie. Trust me, that 250hp shield bonus needs to go. Just give the ship about 150-200 more shield ehp. Also please increase the speed a little! And the locking range by 5km.

For the replacement bonus, why not a grab bag for versatility? I'd consider these two for a unique ship.
You could use ECM on the thing but not giving it a bonus to strength makes for cool fitting decisions due to the lack of lows. (most would do a DCU and then something else)

• 10% bonus to ECM Optimal Range per level. (10% reduced activation cost?)
• 10% bonus to Missile Launcher Reload Time per level

Players could use rig slots to increase velocity. Then you have a sniping light missile ecm boat with quick draw timing and a decent tank.

This guy's post is key -



As for others who call for an explosion or velocity bonus... you're just going to have the Jackdaw completely replace the almost never used Corax and the Garmur if that happens.

The other thing to consider is that it should compete somewhat with the Talwar given the cost. Otherwise, why would someone use a ship that's 3-4 times the price with less range and speed? You could go oversized 10mn ab on the thing but it still isn't going to justify the cost and not grabbing a talwar.

I can't upvote for some reason. So this gets a quote because its about 90% of what I would like to see.

If everything else fails you can always reduce the base shield HP of the ship enough so that with the old % bonus to shield ammount at max level it has the ehp you want it to have right now. Or would that leave some odd end susceptible to exploit?

Should make for a really nice reason to train the caldari tactical destroyer skill to V. Bit of a **** move, though.

* Keep the 5% shield ehp bonus
* Change base shield hp to 880
* Has same shield hp at lvl V CTD as current build (1100)

Nevermind. I see the issue now, need to get some sleep. Well, you could always tone down the bonus too, I guess. Maybe 2~4% isn't too much, like you did with the damage resist bonus back then.

Give it a 2s/level reduction in missile launcher reload time.

Instant reloads would be fun without seriously altering the ship's power level, and fit with the "flexible" gimmick for T3s. In most cases you'd see an opponent and select a damage type a few seconds ahead of time, but a reload time reduction would still be helpful when things change mid-fight.

ASBs need a nerf as opposed to regular boosters needing a buff. At the module level. Not at the suspiciously specific ship level.