Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Avoiding fights is More practical than winning a fight when it comes to survival in eve. Which is why they gave you a quick and tanky hauler for each race.

If you REALLY want a Q-ship, then put cargo expanders on your rokh.

Tasty idea is tasty.

If we are going to go down this route - and i actually think it would both be an interesting game mechanic / play style AND a likely development by empire ship building corporations - it should be expanded to Exhumers as well as industrials.

It would make gameplay at the major 'pipes' of Uedama/Sivala and Niarja/Kaaputenan much more interesting for both haulers and gankers.

Not to mention finaly giving an option to combat the so far unhindered gank squads of CODE and the New Order.


A skiff with turret points, An Itty V / deep space transport with extra turret slots.

It would need to be an improvement of existing designs, so the exhumer would still be seen to be mining, and scanning the cargo bay would still show the industrial to be carrying cargo worth losing a gank ship for.

Perhaps time to share the tears back to those that currently gank miners and industrialsts with relative impunity.

As has been mentioned above, this would be a natural development in the ongoing battle of defence vs attack that has been driving ship design since the first ocean going armadas and applies as much in new eden as it did on ocean going vessels during the two world wars and as early as the 16th Century.

CCP, we hear you want the game to expand driven by player input - and ganking is a game-style. Anti-ganking development could also become a natural response to this and create an excellent new addition to game-style. Give us the tools we need to fight the like of CODE and new-order, and force them to adopt new tactics to counter a threat to their style. Currently, Ithink they are getting rather fat and lazy on the easy meat of Industrial and miners tears - they would enjoy the challenge.

These definitely would still be vulnerable to hard hitting gate camps, but their key advantage would be in the surprise of facing unexpectedly heavy resistance from what appeared to be an unarmed and undefended convoy. They would either be able to make ganking more costly in lost ships, require larger ambush parties, or could just serve as sacrificial lambs that stay behind to slug it out until hull failure while the rest of the convoy makes their escape with the valuable goods, as often happened in real life.

These definitely would be a realistic development for the various ship builders, as there currently does exist a significant need for additional trade protections with Eve basically living in the Golden Age of Piracy. Eventually these developments would be countered by more heavily armed pirates or different tactics, but the need is there regardless.

Bait ship. Which show in overview as something they aren't, and the ability to bait without risking the modules used for bait. Oh, and BS level DPS and tank.

I could see this ship class having the same skin as the current industrial ships but having 5 high slots, 4 medium slots, and 3 low slots, coupled with the CPU and Powergrid to accommodate a full arsenal of weaponry and defenses, but with reasonable cargo hold that isen't too extensive as to obsolete the original industrials purpose. Designed for providing its own escort for transporting cargo, this would be nice for low and null sec. It would even be useful for traps against everything from ganking to piracy.

Interesting concept. But they will never sign off on it because of all the butthurt alts of every goon and ganker troll that this forum is overflowing with pushing their mediocre agenda with sub-intellectual banter meant to confuse, dismay, and anger.

Keep pushing. You might get lucky.

Its not exactly magic. There was a war game not too long ago where a british ship gained the upper hand against the American forces by pretending to be a Pakistani cruise liner and responding to hails in Urdu before opening fire with a surprise attack when they were in missile range. Do you really think that people wouldnt come up with ways to fool the enemy's friend or foe classification or ship identification systems just because this is in space?

Sooooo... why are we taking you seriously then?



Q-Ships historically were NEVER as effective as dedicated combat ships. In fact... the only reason they scored the limited victories they did was due almost entirely due to surprise... NOT combat ability.

And unlike real life, in EVE it is most cost effective to just blow up a ship rather than trying to capture it. Because players are spiteful like that (both ways).



Ignoring all this though...

if industrial ships had the same combat ability as normal, dedicated combat ships... why would you fly anything but an industrial ship?

I personally would LOVE the extra cargo room for storing and using extra cap boosters and loot.

So perfect bait ship, ability to fit a cyno and plenty of space for cap boosters to absolutely bait tank the heck out of it with hull and ASBs, plus guns to get on the KM with. This idea doesn't just invite abuse, it strolls up to abuse, fondles the genitalia and lick's abuse's ear before slipping abuse a business card.

What about a holographic emitter that takes up a high slot and disguises with a random corresponding industrial ship size or up. For example a hurricane disguised as a mammoth or an armageddon masked as a providence. The holo emitter would deactivate upon engaging A target. It Could have Similar fitting and draw backs to cloaking devices.