EVE General Discussion

Exactly. Complaining that people using the wardec mechanic are engaging in "grief decs" is the same as whining about losing your ship to a gate camp in nullsec or being evicted from a wormhole. These are intended forms of PvP enabled by the the developers to drive the player conflict the game is built on.

Whether someone blows you up, or declares war on you because they want your cargo, want the kill mail, because you mouthed off in local, because someone paid them to, or because they want a emotional response is beside the point. As long as they stay within the EULA such player conflict is intended to occur in this game.

What gets me is how quick highsec carebears are to blame anyone who dares interfere with thier gameplay as a "griefer". How can they even know what is motivating an aggressor? Sure it could just be out of some desire to smash someone's sandcastle (which in itself is a reason perfectly acceptable to the developers) but it could equally be for direct profit (as with mercenaries), to eliminate a competitor, or just because one corp member insulted the wrong person. The reasons are opaque to the defender unless they are informed, so why must wardeccers always be sociopathic griefers looking for "easy" kills?

This topic has been beaten about so much it's been, Resurrected beaten again, the topics family, friends and co-workers have been beaten into pulp to much that the the red smear left on the ground is all that's left of this topic and anything related to it. Isn't there something about redundant posting?

Don't freak out over a joke. It makes you look like an idiot by the way. This thread is the most ridiculous troll bait thread sitting on the front page right now and should've died off in February when it started. I just get tired of seeing the same people arguing over the same thing.

I started my Corp after a few months of playing to see how it works. It was quite useful for organising assets with my other character.
Later I signed my corporation up to Factional Warfare.
I never had to fight another player until then.

There are several FW corps that have asked me to join but I like to organise my own corp, it has it's roots down.

If I was in an NPC corp when I signed up I would probably join a player Corp because a lot of PVP involves teams and I would receive heads up on a battle much earlier.

As it is , I like organising stuff, I would recruit players buy I don't yet have the time to give them the attention they need to be part of my corp.

I don't have a problem with players being in NPC corps. If it is providing what you need then it is the best choice but some player corps seem to have more to offer if you are going their way.

Join a corp outside of FW and ill grief you out of it bro.

The issues being horrendously missed here are personal motivation and personal capability.

Personal motivation in that individuals who don't want to fight don't suddenly develop the desire to do so when grouped together. I've had characters in PvP oriented corps. It made it no more enjoyable. The flip side to those same motivations is that fighting still means you aren't doing whatever it is you would otherwise prefer to be doing. Both of those considerations favor evasion to grouping.

The other issue, capability, becomes manifest when capable pilots engage lesser skilled blobs. To be honest, I don't know where the average skills of a carebear in PvP lie, but all I know how to do is get rekt. That also ties into any actual solo operators or those who try in any capacity to enjoy their chosen in space activities being better off just evading.

I get the sentiment here, but it ignores the reality that there is no good reason to fight for someone who doesn't want it, whether able or not.

Flawed premise. Meaningful loss is at the very core of evasion. As a result evasion is also a key aspect of the game.

I won't claim to speak for anyone but myself, but I did want to shed a little bit of light from my own experience.

This is my main character and the one that I use to post to the forums with. After playing this game a few months and getting a better feel for it, I did make a PvP toon and get him into a player corp. During the recruitment process, of course, I had to submit an all-inclusive API and go through some interviews. When I first joined that corp, some of the leaders had suspicions that I was a spy because I was asking questions like "when is everyone online?", and "Do you guys do roams together? And when?". Because of course I thought it was prudent to find a corp that was active when I was online (first player corp that toon joined had a bunch of people, but nobody online ever).

As I said, I did get to join the corp, but they keep a close eye on me and this toon. I've got nothing to hide from them, but I think they'd freak out if this toon suddenly joined another corp.

If that experience is anything like other people's, where corps may be suspicious of accounts where different toons are in different corps, then perhaps it is normal for the average account to have 1 corp toon and 1 npc toon. So if that scenario is in any way common, there will always be a great deal of NPC toons...but that doesn't mean (some) people aren't playing within corps, it just means there's alts. This is alts online after all. You can have up to three characters per account, maybe people are creating two NPC alts for every corp toon? I can't say for sure, but it is something to consider.

Besides that, it just makes sense not to have all toons in one corp/basket anyway. If I need to spy on another corp for war, move supplies around, engage in the market, or anything like that, it is best done with a neutral party. That's just the way the game is structured, and I play within those rules. Being in a player corp provides no benefits or incentives to any of those activities anyway.

If it gets you off IRL to blow up defenseless people in a game, that might tell you something.

This thread could be fun if someone switched the t for a lower case L.

You can just right click and pick remove all grantable roles and join gall FW immediately. And your entire corp is in a FW militia, thats why individual members cant join individual militias within a corp. Glad you understand basic game mechanics though