Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Was about to suggest that alternatively, but oh 62.5k m3.

DSTs can't bridge to covert cynos. Did you know that there exists a whole world of gate to gate travel outside of -> Jump?

Some facerollers apparently didn't - look where that got them.



You will be free to substitute your JF with 34 BR bridges, if you think putting your jump freighter for 26 seconds at "risk" with not one Soul in local is too much for you to handle.



Yes, keep up with your fantasy and redirection, all the while the topic remains about normal cynos and the issue of JFs.

Actually people used carriers stuffed to the gills with haulers in the ship maintenance array. You'd fit the haulers for max cargo, stuff them full of stuff, put them in the carrier and jump to wherever.

This has to be a troll post. It is seriously stupid to be a real suggestion. Only reason it has a lot of people reading it is because Fozzie posted an angry face.

You must not fly a $7b jump freighter if you want to make them easy to get ganked, before you load it up with billions of items.

For everyone in alliances who move items which are not their own, you have now made the jump freighter pilot risk his $7b ship plus all the billions in collateral that he has to put up for the items he is carrying.

So for all the risk, what is the reward? So you can have easier targets because you find PVP to difficult. You now want to fight ships which have no offensive or defensive capabilities. LOL.

Plus add: 1) never happens because with a JF you move goods to trading stations and there is always someone online.

Yesterday my cynoalt was bubbled with an interdiction sphere 12 secs after the cyno went up and I only had 12 ppl in the system at the moment. Good luck in moving goods if such a change is implemented and people start specializing in hunting you. Then the 12 secs are more or less common and no longer an exception.

We are talking about both. There are structures ingame which exceed the cargo volume of a BR (battle cruiser), you need something bigger to move them. And even if the cargo fits you don't want to go into NS and back again with three frigs stored in a BR when you earn only maybe 6 million isk doing this.




Stop thinking in Goons when you think about corp sizes and the amount of pilots they can assign to move goods. If you don't have 50-100 pilots to protect your stuff you will loose it to any gatecamp in Nullsec. You know how ******* easy it is to point the freighter and focus fire on it and how hard it is for your protection fleet to do something against this? Just kick in a bunch of talos which are also used in HS ganking and alpha them away faster than your protectors can kill the attackers. With a 1 billion isk ship (plus multi billion cargo) it's worth it and you will be able to grab the loot because the others don't have a spare freighter to pick up the remains of the wreck


But instead of talking about theory, let's prove us that you are wrong. I will set up a a contract for you which requires a freighter or a similar ship and you move the goods from Jita to a NPC nullsec station to ensure you can dock. Nothing special, nothing expensive - four station vaults so you can't use a JF. No collateral, just your freighter you might loose

Show me that you can seed a market without a JF, move something for me to D87E-A in Curse.

Let's see if you can moonwalk your freighter through the Gatecamps of Khabi and 7Q and drift through GW. Only 47 jumps to do. Man that's easy according to your suggestion. You just need some protection, I heard Ebola is very active in this region and can even bring some carriers and dreads if needed.

You can also choose the shortest way through HED-GP in Catch. Shorter, less jumps, however I heard in HED you require some more ships to protect stuff.

Or come down the road from Derelik over Doril and VOL-MI. Very attractive. You know PL is around in this area and sometimes you can find up to 250 pilots online in one sys? Good luck.


If anyone else wants to prove me wrong, send an ingame email to Dustpuppy. As said, it's too easy how it is at the moment and some risks have to be added. Show me that you are right.

Don't mind them.

Twenty five seconds vulnerability on a trip that would otherwise involve putting your freighter at RISK each time you go through a new system times the number of systems - that is unfathomable.

Broken mechanic will be fixed soon enough, just as SKYNET was.

Before JFs, people used carriers as pseudo JFs. Before that, nullsec had no functioning economy and almost no PvE occurred there, it was simply too high risk and little reward. Belt ratting was half the isk/hr of highsec level fours and had considerable risk as well.

Today, nullsec has tons of PvE content and thus people need ships to do that content. Back then, the only PvE content in nullsec worth doing was the static complexes, all of which were claimed by an alliance and farmed regularly. The real draw of nullsec was the R64s, and alliances formed to hold them. Nullsec had no economy, most corps used a Communist system with a high tax rate to keep people out of highsec and had a doctrine of 2 or 3 ships that would get bought in Jita and freighter oped down, ops that were so ****** corp members had to be dragged on them kicking and screaming. The game was very boring when scheduled PvP ops for which you were provided ships weren't going on, most people had out of corp alts based in highsec to run level fours and/or PvP in lowsec.

All this "invulnerability", perhaps you can explain the JF deaths this week alone?

No no no. History isn't right. It's all about perception and the politics of envy.

Also babysitting is FUN don't you know, especially when the ENTIRE REGION will come dogpile on you.

Apparently the reward of facilitating content for thousands of people needs more risk so people can get cheap kills