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It might have been moved there by buy orders. That's usually how large stockpiles accumulate, by one player paying other players ISK to sell it to them or move it there. The problem with saying "just do that to get it out" is the time crunch. Buy orders and stockpiling takes days, weeks, months. The opposite direction is impossible in two timers. At some point there is not enough ISK or freighter pilots in the game to move X amount of stuff like that. The result is an unwillingness to use player structures, and industry stays in NPC stations. That's bad, and it's why I say this is a profound nerf to industry and market in player structures.

Sweeping destruction of everything in a structure is bad for content. Move it, deny the enemy access, sure, but let them have access to it again so they can fight with it, which is more content.

The math of deleting people's stuff is amusing, but it's bad for activity in the game.

Well i carefully read what was written in the devblog and what answers were given to alot of unanswered questions the blog left us with.

Living in a wormhole i must say i´m not anticipating this in the least.
Since this proposal creates some major concerns.

The first on being.
I don´t like docking games. As proabally doesn´t any Wormhole resident.
One of the mayor reason i never lived a prolonged time in NPC null or low security space.
But this iteration could force us into those things.
Those Citadel structures will, to what i understood, work in many regards like stations, which are armed.
So if i undock say for example in a paper thin scan frigate somebody in rocket fitted bomber and his friends might sit outside the station uncloack and lock me and shoot at me.
With the server tick being what it is, the instant capability of Bombers to start locking a target might, especially if an interdictor is with them, have no chance to redock or warp away.
Resulting in the loss of my ship and Pod, since the ejection causes an session change timer, which hinders me to redock.
And all this will happen under the guns of said citadel because it will take forever to lock some small frigs. And since after the undock porcess i will be within 2500 meters of the structure cloaking isn´t even an option.
In null i atleast know after a short glance at local if this might happen.

I mean atm you can kill ships circling Posses with Artillary Tornados before most gun are even able to lock you ...

sarcasm on
"seems like a really fun mechanic for w-space where you aren´t allowed to jump clone back in."
sarcasm off

Then as it was mentioned – you are considering to have indices by default have higher numbers in w-space an low.
Hmm seems nice for the ones living in there except that those indices are, because of the lack of sov and there for a lack of assignment of said indices to a specific party, usabale by everybody.
So you might have lived in the same wormhole for years and are having the same indices as someone who placed a structure there a day ago.
Seems pretty fair on so many levels.
At least atm we were able to hamper invaders by having towers at the moons in our system.
Forcing them to commit to their invasion since they needed to at least kill one tower to gain a foothold into our home. They couldn´t just establish an outpost like they will be able to after this change.
But with the ability to place these structures everywhere this is longer possible.
What might mean that we might face trolls, who plant outpost in our wormhole – which then requires us to take them out.
This might be fun gameplay once in a while.
But i fear this might happen far more often than i´m hoping for.
I´m not really into this whole king of the hill domination – and if i were i would move into nullsec where this will be my everyday life.
I´m honestly not certain why we wormholers get every step along the way this game develops nearly the same mechanics as they do in null but with consistent nerves to those.
How about a different approach to those whole thing -
Instead of trimming your intention and interation for nullsec to w-space.
You should start creating something that is adjusted to the needs of those actually living there.

By the way have you at all considered what this new Citadel Structures will do to Shattered Wormholes ?
Might be another thing you might have missed.


Hmm waht i also have been wondering – what is gonna happen to those expensive faction tower we w-space residents normally use.
I mean the announcemnet of those Citadel structures alone probably resulted in decreasing the value of those things by a huge margin.
Will those get reimbursed in any way ?
And what size of those Citadel structures will we be able to place in w-space up to large or even X-Large structres and what are they supposed to cost – so that we can start to save our isk ...

Oh, this looks good.

Wait...

Guns don't auto fire?

Different structures have to be placed miles apart?

We have to use Entosis on them instead of guns?

...

This Citadel thing doesn't look as good as it did at first glance.
Entosis capture seemed very artificial by Eve standards but it did at least seem like it would help null in the long run.
I don't see why Entosis has to be used for everything, is using the sov-wand going to eventually be the way we take customs offices as well?

All entosis and no HP bashing? Won't somebody please think about the Dreadnaughts!


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So yeah whats the plan for Dreads with these changes? Other than cleaning up the old dead sticks.

I have a couple suggestions...

Ablative Intra-site Docking Shield

Or perhaps...

Citadel Wide Energy Abolition Field

Maybe it would be better to allow an NPC hauler pickup to be scheduled after the structure is destroyed. Potentially a lot of stuff needs to be moved, and even by freighter loads it could be in the hundreds of ships. If this happened while the station was being destroyed, that would be bad for TiDi, and maybe a bit too imbalanced toward the attackers who already on site and have control of the grid.

All your stuff in a structure wreck is kind of a non starter anyway, if you have a lot of volume. It might as well be stuck there or destroyed if it takes freighter loads to move out of what is now hostile space.

I have my eyes on a Hel, purely for the ship maintenance bay for the rest of my gang, and the repair bonuses. The DPS is a huge extra for my purposes, which is why I think supers need to be split between DPS and support.

For one, jump drives should be a T2 function (like jump freighters vs normal freighters).

Normal carriers too.

I don't see why sov-wands and guns can't exist side by side.

Is it abandoned? Then wave your sov-wand it.
Is it a customs office, medium citadel or large citadel? Then shoot it or sov-wand it, whichever is most within your groups capabilities.
Is it a XL-citadel or sov macguffin? Then clear the field and sov-wand it.


I can live with everything being Entosis, but I'd very much prefer my Citadels guns to fire on their own even if it meant they can be destroyed. If the tower is manned and stocked it's still an indestructible turret as whoever is manning it can just keeps chucking new guns on it.

I can imagine lot of things, even materializing angels farting thunder and lightning to safe my neck ... but would they really fit in here just because i can imagine?
Up until now anytime in EVE you move stuff out of an npc station or do your industry in a POS you have to be aware of the risk of loosing it all.... This new safty capsule really changes this paradigm that put EVE apart from other "games" (and as you yourself used the term - makes it a "sim"ulation in my eyes).

Please take a step back from your SciFi rant - if everything has to be possible just cause its a such a fantastic universe then ofc you can have your "unbreakable barrier", but others with the same logic should have their "all-breaking weapons". I dont like either (and so does logic).

On a sidenote - you couldnt be more wrong, I´m far from a PVP player. I just like the game for its realistic risk concept and true simulation character.

lol, isn't that how it always happens?

"Yay, CCP is doing stuff to other people and it's great...wait, what do you mean it's going to happen to me too? WTF? Bad idea....BAD IDEA!!!!