Player Features and Ideas Discussion

My suggestion for security missions:

Level 1 - for rookie ships
Level 2 - for t1 frigates
Level 3 - for t1 destroyers
Level 4 - for t1 cruisers
Level 5 - for t1 battlecruisers
Level 6 - for t1 battleships
Level 7 - for t2, pirate battleships
Level 8 - for t2, pirate battleships, max skills and/or creative tactics
Level 9 - (current level 5 missions)
Level 10 - ???

Now you might be wondering where do burner missions come in?
It's simple, they will be new storyline missions. Lets say you are doing level 3 mission and get a storyline burner mission, where you will have to fight a t1 destroyer.

I am wondering why you made this suggestion and what problems it will fix or what things it will add to the game??

The current mission system is severely dated by now, yes eve is a pvp game but ships ain't going to buy themselves so pve should get some more attention. I don't know about further splitting up difficulties below battleship level but some more engaging/ difficult missions that require group work would be good for the game. CCP has a good chance with the new drifter npcs for some seriously tough pve encounters I hope they make the most of it.

Or even WHs, you can solo C1-3 sites pretty easy with the right ships and the pay outs are not half bad, throw in a salvage alt to get the nano-ribbons for a better pay out and you can make better ISK than you could running missions any day of the week.

Yes, the current system is dated, and yes, it has it's issues, but what exactly would your proposal fix?

For more difficult missions, we already have burner missions, and we will soon get cruiser-size burner missions (or are they already in? don#t know, I don't do high sec pve anymore).

Also, there are L5's, which can also be done in a group. if you want to stay in high sec and want group content, there are incursions.

Also, there is anoms in 0.0, sanctums are usually done with 2-3 ppl (or one multiboxer, or one person in an expensive ship).

Besides, spliiting up the difficulty in hull sizes wouldn't do any good. I know a lot of ppl who do L4s in pirate BS. I have done L4s in T3 cruisers and even in an blinged cynabal. being able to choose the hull size is important, it adds more variety to the game. You can either have it easy (for example, when you are a new or simply bad at it) when using a hull that is a little bit Op for the mission, or you can have it difficult, especially as a new player, by using smaller hulls for higher missions. Doing L4s in cruiser was a big step up for me back in the days when I was new to EVE, both difficlty wise but also payout-wise.

Other group content, aside from incursions, can be found in WHs. C4s are usually run in small gangs in T3s. In C5/C6, you can run solo/duo marauder or T3s with logi to do the normal sites, but C5/C6 wormholes also have the unique feature of capital escalations which require dreadnaughts and carriers and at least 6 chars, but to do it effiiciently up to 10.

So yeah, we have a multitude of PvE options, in different difficulties, for very different amounts of ppl. I don't really see how splitting up missions more would help with any of the problems that are curently present in PvE.

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The best pve is pvp? You know that doesn't make sense right? People pve all the time to make isk and most of the time the "interaction" with other players is you taking steps to make sure you don't get ganked. Sure sometimes pvp comes along while you're pve ing and you can drop what you're doing to go after them or you can pretend you've not noticed and be bait and all of that can be good fun but what I'm saying is that the actual pve content itself, especially in highsec where the pvp element is minimised, could do with some changes.

I don't have a perfect answer to what should be changed but I think more dynamic missions would increase the fun factor and as an aside I also think that rats should be adjusted to give people more realistic expectations of the kind of things they could face in pvp. It doesn't make sense that you can tank dozens of battleships in a level 4 mission and then go out to pvp and find that even one or two battleships would melt your tank. Perhaps missions could follow a tree like structure where you are never sure which branch the mission will take giving more variety and unexpectedness to what has become stale and well documented content.

What I was saying is that claiming that pve is hard because you might run into other players isn't really anything to do with the pve being hard or not, surely nobody would claim that mining is hard pve but miners are getting ganked all over the place. No matter how improved NPCs get they won't ever be as good as players but there is plenty of middle ground between where they are now and the level that players are at.



I think it is unfair to assume that people who run missions in highsec are totally opposed to risk, after all they are still playing Eve. The risk / reward could be balanced so that L5s, anoms, WHs, what have you, are still better isk / hr; all I am saying is that mission PvE has been largely unchanged for a long time and that making them more interactive and engaging by making them less predictable would increase the fun of an activity players could choose, or not, to do. Surely it is possible to improve the mechanics of shooting crosses without taking it so far that they are essentially players.



Well for one players have brains and come up with all sorts of new ways to mess with each other, NPCs will never be this good but that doesn't mean they can't be better than they are.

As you noted, the "creative tactics" would involve me warping in with my Marauder and blowing everything apart. Easy as that.

Blizzard? Wut? Those hacks haven't made interesting PvE mechanics in years. It's been the same old, group up, spread out, tank-swap, don't stand in the fire bullshit for the last 10 years. The only thing that changes is the scenery.

As for PvE mechanics, I agree, they've grown stagnant. I'd love some changes here, but expanding the mission tiers is probably not the answer. Incursions and Wormholes were a nice change of pace because it was PvE that you were forced to group up for. You had to plan, fit right, think and execute - all as part of a group.

Reworking L5's is a good, quick solution (since they already exist). More agents, a wider array of missions and multi-step mission sites. Make them story-driven, like mini-escalations. At the end of one of the sites, you get pop-up text that directs you to another location, but within the same system. Only once you've cleared the 2-4 sites/complexes is the mission deemed complete. Make them difficult, something that requires 2 or more properly fitted vessels to complete successfully. Make the rewards such that they are worth doing - i.e. tons of LP/ISK or even navy BPC/module if you finish within x amount of time.

Long term, more Incursion-style things.