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AT13 EVE TV

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Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-05-11 14:31:49 UTC
Hello o7. What will be the arrangements regarding EVE TV? Will it be a thing this year? If so is it the same deal as last time?
CCP Logibro
C C P
C C P Alliance
#2 - 2015-05-12 15:44:35 UTC
It's going to be a little different this year.

The first weekend (which in the previous tournaments was the first two weekends, just put together) will not be broadcast.

The second and third weekends will have a full studio broadcast as per the finals weekends in previous tournaments.

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Rayo Atra
Guardians of the Volatile Wine
#3 - 2015-05-14 02:14:11 UTC
so no stream at all of the first weekend?



Also...if this hasnt happened yet....


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General Vachot
The Vendunari
End of Life
#4 - 2015-05-14 06:43:08 UTC  |  Edited by: General Vachot
Even if not broadcast can you seriously still record the fights and stream - its why we compete. Also great for debreifing purposes and fun to watch how badly you sucked during a tournament.
Rayo Atra
Guardians of the Volatile Wine
#5 - 2015-05-14 17:40:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Rayo Atra
I would hope the underlying idea is to have a higher level of production the last two weeks. CCP have been making slow positive strides into polishing these types of things. The o7 show is great fun, and the Worlds Collide match was excellent, minus a few foibles. only perfect practice makes perfect here guys. :]

Even so, do some sort of half ass stream. I set aside billions, time, and intoxicants for this every year. I have space friends I only really interact with, and space i only hang out in during AT\NEO. Not to mention the best live events to win and lose so much isk.

Incidentally, this would also blow for a team that is entering the AT for the first time and loses out early. You finally make it the biggest PVP event in the game, and it is seen by no one beyond your killer, and your neck-bearded mother looking over your shoulder.

Stepping backward in available content in one of the largest customer facing events per annum is just such a bad idea.




...Ok ill level with you, I work on Saturdays and have absolutely nothing to do.

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Conflict Engaged
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-05-14 21:26:58 UTC
Rayo Atra wrote:
I would hope the underlying idea is to have a higher level of production the last two weeks. CCP have been making slow positive strides into polishing these types of things. The o7 show is great fun, and the Worlds Collide match was excellent, minus a few foibles. only perfect practice makes perfect here guys. :]

Even so, do some sort of half ass stream. I set aside billions, time, and intoxicants for this every year. There are people I only really interact with during tourny, space i only hang out in during this time, and so much isk to win and lose.

This would also blow for a team that is entering the AT for the first time and loses out early. You finally make it the biggest PVP event in the game, and its seen by no one but your killer, and your neck-bearded mother looking over your shoulder.

Stepping backward in available content in one of the largest customer facing events per annum is just such a bad idea.

Ok ill level with you, I work on Saturdays and have absolutely nothing to do...fresh content makes us greedy.

I agree with this. Each year after every AT, new alliances are dedicated to getting their name out there, and train up for the following AT. I can guarantee those building up for this one will be gutted.
CCP Logibro
C C P
C C P Alliance
#7 - 2015-05-15 14:23:23 UTC
You'll still be able to see the results of the matches through CREST for the first weekend.

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Kaelynne Rose
WTB Somalians
#8 - 2015-05-15 14:53:15 UTC
CCP Logibro wrote:
You'll still be able to see the results of the matches through CREST for the first weekend.

I seem tobhave missed the reasoning behind why this change is happening. Why is it this way this year please?
CCP Logibro
C C P
C C P Alliance
#9 - 2015-05-15 16:34:56 UTC
Kaelynne Rose wrote:
CCP Logibro wrote:
You'll still be able to see the results of the matches through CREST for the first weekend.

I seem tobhave missed the reasoning behind why this change is happening. Why is it this way this year please?


4 weekends in a row of broadcasting hasn't really been sustainable in the past - it's a lot of effort especially when everyone involved is also working regular work weeks. Going down to two weekends allows us to properly focus our resources on the full studio weekends. As we're not broadcasting on the first two weekends, this also gives us the opportunity to compress that into a single weekend which will hopefully also make it easier on the teams competing as they now only need to commit to three weekends instead of four.

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LtCol Laurentius
The Imperial Sardaukar
#10 - 2015-05-15 18:05:01 UTC  |  Edited by: LtCol Laurentius
CCP Logibro wrote:
It's going to be a little different this year.

The first weekend (which in the previous tournaments was the first two weekends, just put together) will not be broadcast.

The second and third weekends will have a full studio broadcast as per the finals weekends in previous tournaments.


Very disappointing. In other words, AT XIII will be a twoo weekend event involving just 32 teams. Because that is the practical impact of no coverage.
Sivor Detmen
Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction
-affliction-
#11 - 2015-05-16 16:50:29 UTC
CCP Logibro wrote:
It's going to be a little different this year.

The first weekend (which in the previous tournaments was the first two weekends, just put together) will not be broadcast.

The second and third weekends will have a full studio broadcast as per the finals weekends in previous tournaments.




Some sort of stream even without proper broadcast team and commentators would be far better than nothing. The alliance tournament is huge effort for everyone involved in it and part of the reward is to be able to see yourself after. It's the "I was there feeling".

Removing that possibility for teams that are eliminated in the first rounds its a big disappointment.

Everyone understands that a proper broadcast for 4 weekends is hard, but a lack of any stream for the first rounds shouldn't be an option.
LT Alter
Iron.Guard
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2015-05-17 09:18:31 UTC
I don't know much about where the stresses come from in hosting the alliance tournament, but I wanted to throw this idea out there. Because, as many other players, I feel that it's important that there be a commentary and video broadcast of each match.

So, the initial weeks matches aren't being live broadcasted because it's too much work to do four weekends in a row of broadcasting and it's impossible to fit so many matches into one weekend of live broadcasting without running multiple matches simultaneously. I propose that you record them separately as the matches occur simultaneously. Either have commentators watch each match live (Which would require more commentators), or have the commentators watch the recordings (Without being privy to the results, of course) after the matches have finished. Then, post the recorded matches, with commentary, to YouTube.

This allows players to get a similar experience to the live broadcast without CCP actually having to broadcast the matches live. The work may not be less in amount, but CCP wouldn't be required to do it all in one stretch and the work could be strung out over more hours and even more days if needed. Personally, I'd much prefer having the match recordings shown a couple days late than to not have them at all.
The Primary Target
Iron.Guard
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2015-05-17 09:20:03 UTC  |  Edited by: The Primary Target
If the problem is that, "4 weekends in a row of broadcasting hasn't really been sustainable." then perhaps it would work to insert a break week after the second week. Where, weeks one and two cover the initial matches, then week three has no matches, and weeks four and five have the remaining matches of the tournament.
Greygal
Redemption Road
Affirmative.
#14 - 2015-05-18 05:57:03 UTC
I must admit I'm finding the switch back to three weekends to be somewhat ironic and amusing :)

ATX was four weekends.

ATXI was moved back to three weekends, due to (what I understand) it being too much work for people to spend their entire weekends on the tourney while also working regular jobs for four weekends in a row

ATXII was moved back out to four weekends, because (as stated on forums somewhere) it was too exhausting running 64 matches each day over two days of the first weekend; each day was extremely long for everyone involved.

Now, ATXIII is moving back to three weekends, because spreading it over four weeks is too much Lol but to reduce how long a day it is, matches apparently will be run two at a time.

As to streaming the first weekend, please, reconsider and stream it. So much of what makes the Alliance Tournament such a joy to watch (and be in) is that first weekend! It's where the meta works itself out, where the hysterically funny matches are most commonly seen, the biggest mistakes, upsets, WTF moments, and, of course, just fail fights, happen.

You don't need to set up official commentators if you don't want, it can be just as simple as a single camera character AFK at the center of the arena, set up with as good a view of the entire arena as possible, tactical overlay in the corner like usual, and the usual bottom third showing names/ship types/etc. Obviously, there'd likely have to be two streams, since you'll have two arenas running concurrently.

Players can just watch it without commentary, or, as I imagine if you made something like this available would happen, some players would set up Teamspeak/Mumble channels for people to join and commentate and discuss what they are watching as it happens.

Heck, you could even set it up so that whoever the official player commentators are stream and commentate the first weekend from their homes, giving them invaluable "practice" for the "real thing" of the last two weekends.

At a minimum, please record and make available the fights ASAP. Viewing the fights through CREST is helpful, but it's not the same thing, not at all.

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Enso Nibbana
Brahman
#15 - 2015-05-18 07:41:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Enso Nibbana
I also am interested in viewing the initial matches.
WASPY69
Xerum.
#16 - 2015-05-21 12:30:06 UTC
The decision to NOT broadcast the first weekend is indeed a step backwards imo. Imagine the first third of the Olympics with an empty stadium and not broadcasted on TV. The point of the AT is entertainment and for the competitors to show off their skills to the general public.
No one likes performing to an empty audience. Imagine fanfest with the first day of presentations performed behind closed doors and all we get is a devblog. It's the same thing.

So "quality" or not, I would still take the cut in webcam+mic of a commentator as opposed to none at all.

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Mystic Rebel
Russian Thunder Squad
WE FORM V0LTA
#17 - 2015-05-28 00:37:36 UTC
That's something I don't get at all.

There is a plenty of players who would be volunteering to broadcast and comment first weekend on their own twitch/youtube channels, even in different languages. This doesn't have to be official at all.

So why not give them 1 day 0 sig radius shuttles with "GM cloak" and let community get what they want?

These could be some trustworthy well known players, who have good reputation of experienced pvpers within the community, or have been streaming or making pvp vids for some long time yet.
raspil
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-05-28 20:52:03 UTC
I don't get why you would even bother with the first 2 weekends if you aren't going to stream, far more people watch the tournament than enter. Even if you can't muster together a single commentator you could still stream the match / upload to YouTube. Put out a shout to the community and you will get help. Even if you don't steam live you can still cobble together some commentary after the match.... not as much fun but better than nothing.

Get some support from pilots who already stream / play Eve.
Greygal
Redemption Road
Affirmative.
#19 - 2015-05-28 22:27:53 UTC
Obviously, I +1 to the above comments :)

Just think of the entertainment value of everyone adapting that first weekend to the new rules and changes!

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Akura Mikio
BIO'S SHADOW
#20 - 2015-05-29 00:34:47 UTC
Should be able to spectate through the ingame client somehow, would probably be easy to implement and wouldn't cause any extra effort for CCP on the first weekend.
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