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Do Concord Chase Criminals?
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Eladanus
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-05-10 10:29:58 UTC
Hi,

Noob question time - I've not done much PVP outside of nulsec, so I'm not up on the mechanics.

Say I was in a SB hunting exploration frigs - obviously in high-sec Concord will turn up to blap me pretty quick, but will they give chase? Could I kill someone before they show up, then warp off to a safe and they wouldn't come after me? Do they only warp to the 'scene of the crime' and stop there?

Thanks,
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#2 - 2015-05-10 10:38:05 UTC
You can't warp when you have a criminal timer. You used to be able to warp away, which would delay the response from concord but that was declared an exploit and patched out (boomerang notification).

Avoiding concord is classed as an exploit.

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-05-10 11:08:57 UTC
you cannot escape concord if you have done something illegal. They will find you and kill you no matter what you do and avoiding them is considered an exploit and will result in a ban.

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Memphis Baas
#4 - 2015-05-10 12:45:10 UTC
It's against the EULA to try to avoid the "suicide" part of suicide-ganking, i.e. Concord. As it's been said, you're completely locked down and can't escape, so in CCP's view, if you do manage to escape it must be via an exploit, thus they'll ban you.

Suicide gankers do stage ships in space at a safespot; they attack, Concord kills their ship, they go to the ship bookmark, get in another ship, and attack again until Concord kills them again. That's why they NEED the neutral alt in a Machariel to bump the target to keep it there for a long time with no repercussions; any change to the bumping mechanic would completely invalidate this tactic, making some ships invulnerable and thus completely safe in high-sec, which is not how it should be.
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#5 - 2015-05-10 15:11:05 UTC
An SB is not a great choice for frigate-hunting in high-sec. It certainly _can_ kill them before CONCORD comes for you in theory but a cheap tech 1 destroyer can likely instagib them from the warp-in point, no alts or bumping required and no time investment beyond a relatively brief lock-on time.

Because of the obvious suicidal nature of suicide ganking, go for fast kills in cheap ships. Stealth isn't that vital, honestly, the likelihood of them spotting you on d-scan before your warp terminates and you can railgun them (or whatever) is fairly low.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2015-05-10 17:54:00 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
That's why they NEED the neutral alt in a Machariel to bump the target to keep it there for a long time with no repercussions; any change to the bumping mechanic would completely invalidate this tactic, making some ships invulnerable and thus completely safe in high-sec, which is not how it should be.

This is just plain and simple not true. No one is safe in any space anywhere. Just because on person on two toons can not gank someone does not make them safe this is an MMO after all. Just get enough friends and you can alpha any ship in game. Please don't try to convince me that somehow Machariel bumping is an integral part of the game that would break eve if it were nerfed.

I don't know enough about ganking or bumping to comment if the bumping mechanic is broken or not or if it needs balance or not so I am not commenting on that aspect. I'm just saying that removing it would in no way make anyone safe or ungankable.

To the OP concord only enforces penalties for actions punishable by having your ship blown up they do not enforce standings. Local faction's Navy's enforce the standing mechanics and you can evade them.

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Eladanus
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-05-10 19:02:17 UTC
Thanks for the replies everyone. I hadn't realised that evading Concord was an exploit - good job I asked first!
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-05-10 19:42:53 UTC
Before doing any stupid in highsec ... read and understand http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Crimewatch

Highsec PvP is very special ...

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#9 - 2015-05-11 03:37:40 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Memphis Baas wrote:
That's why they NEED the neutral alt in a Machariel to bump the target to keep it there for a long time with no repercussions; any change to the bumping mechanic would completely invalidate this tactic, making some ships invulnerable and thus completely safe in high-sec, which is not how it should be.

This is just plain and simple not true. No one is safe in any space anywhere. Just because on person on two toons can not gank someone does not make them safe this is an MMO after all. Just get enough friends and you can alpha any ship in game. Please don't try to convince me that somehow Machariel bumping is an integral part of the game that would break eve if it were nerfed.

I don't know enough about ganking or bumping to comment if the bumping mechanic is broken or not or if it needs balance or not so I am not commenting on that aspect. I'm just saying that removing it would in no way make anyone safe or ungankable.

To the OP concord only enforces penalties for actions punishable by having your ship blown up they do not enforce standings. Local faction's Navy's enforce the standing mechanics and you can evade them.


most of the time gankers get in groups big enough they can run down their prey in one burst of damage.

the situation described is known as hyperdunking and involves getting ships out of an orca or bowhead off grid to despawn/respawn concord, return to the ganking grid in their pod and board a new ship to continue with the gank. there are a large number of ways in which this style attack can fail so it hasn't been called an exploit, and I'm not sure how often it is used, but it was funny seeing a few ganks with ~2-3 people on them when it was brand new.

you used to be able to evade concord as small ships could land, align, and then warp before concord could spwan and lock, CCP changed that, and if you can find a way to avoid concord now-a-days I'm pretty sure ccp would be very happy to hear about that.

I guess the actual answer to your question of "Do Concord Chase Criminals?" the answer is no, because they have already blapped the criminal and no longer need to give chase, although if you re-ship they will warp in and destroy the new ship, so I guess that might be considered chasing.

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-05-11 06:51:40 UTC
Eladanus wrote:
Thanks for the replies everyone. I hadn't realised that evading Concord was an exploit - good job I asked first!

Don't worry about the exploit part. For all intents and purposes avoiding concord is impossible . I wouldn't recommend using a stealth bomber for this role though.

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