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[Petition] Release of The Scope employees
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Cakzad Arcashiri
Arcashiri Family
#21 - 2015-05-08 18:18:17 UTC
Signed. CONCORD has no right to do this, and we need to know what's going on.

"I give to you the destiny of Faith,

And you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens:

Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given."

- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 22:13
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#22 - 2015-05-08 18:20:31 UTC
Sahriah BloodStone wrote:


As one so devoted to the security of The State, i am disappointed you cannot see the bigger picture here. If the Drifters are not dealt with there will be no State to defend. I would personally consider any citizen who does not support a cause pivotal to The States survival to be a traitor. Barring that, if the Drifters wipe us out first, it would take away all your future chances to terrorize the Gallente. Can we really have that?


The madwoman is not known for anything save her single-minded, frothing hatred of Gallente.

As for the topic at hand, while I honestly don't believe the Scope staff are guilty of espionage, this is indeed a legal matter that CONCORD has every right to pursue. That said, my opinion of Eifyr and Co and the DED continues to sink with every day. How long have they had this message? How long have they been failing to act against the Tyrannos, or to disclose their findings with the only group capable of assisting the DED? While we of course have no right to this information, the DED is clearly failing to employ the resources at their disposal through their reticence.

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Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#23 - 2015-05-08 18:25:56 UTC
Signed

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#24 - 2015-05-08 18:27:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Makoto Priano wrote:
Sahriah BloodStone wrote:


As one so devoted to the security of The State, i am disappointed you cannot see the bigger picture here. If the Drifters are not dealt with there will be no State to defend. I would personally consider any citizen who does not support a cause pivotal to The States survival to be a traitor. Barring that, if the Drifters wipe us out first, it would take away all your future chances to terrorize the Gallente. Can we really have that?


The madwoman is not known for anything save her single-minded, frothing hatred of Gallente.

As for the topic at hand, while I honestly don't believe the Scope staff are guilty of espionage, this is indeed a legal matter that CONCORD has every right to pursue. That said, my opinion of Eifyr and Co and the DED continues to sink with every day. How long have they had this message? How long have they been failing to act against the Tyrannos, or to disclose their findings with the only group capable of assisting the DED? While we of course have no right to this information, the DED is clearly failing to employ the resources at their disposal through their reticence.


Sometimes, the badly think out or hasty intervention can be of greater harm than good. Hiding something very dangerous from you, would mean protecting you from it. Until you are ready to confront it, it must remain hidden.

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Sahriah BloodStone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2015-05-08 18:41:40 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:


As for the topic at hand, while I honestly don't believe the Scope staff are guilty of espionage, this is indeed a legal matter that CONCORD has every right to pursue. That said, my opinion of Eifyr and Co and the DED continues to sink with every day. How long have they had this message? How long have they been failing to act against the Tyrannos, or to disclose their findings with the only group capable of assisting the DED? While we of course have no right to this information, the DED is clearly failing to employ the resources at their disposal through their reticence.


Bagrat Skalski wrote:


Sometimes, the badly think out or hasty intervention can be of greater harm than good. Hiding something very dangerous from you, would mean protecting you from it. Until you are ready to confront it, it must remain hidden.


While i would have generally agreed with your sentiments in the past, the fact here is that CONCORD, the DED and any other groups that had access to this information have done absolutely nothing to prepare for this and have gone so far as to prevent anyone else from doing so. Even if they had, a threat of this magnitude is not something these entities can contain without the unified assistance of not only capsuleers, but of all citizens in New Eden. We have seen the destructive power of the Drifters and we have seen their efforts to scan our defenses, there is some incredibly sketchy leadership going on in the DED if they think the public had no right to know of the giant doomsday wielding armada at their doorstep.

I would even go as far as to speculate that CONCORD and the DED may have been compromised. Capsuleers have been the only ones to stand up to the threat thus-far. Perhaps it is us who should be wielding the power here.


Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#26 - 2015-05-08 18:44:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaret Victorian
Signed.

How dare you detain these brave people. They risked their lives to get us what we all deserve - the truth, and you arrest them like they are criminals. Our cluster is in danger and you, corporate dogs, dare to conceal the truth. Possibly exploit the knowledge to get another load of money from it. Monetize it, weaponize it. That's what you usually do. That's why people languish and die all over our cluster. Dozens of thousands souls perish each second. Cease to exist. And what are you doing now? Hiding behind your rules and regulations? Behind your fleets? Do the right thing for once. Free. These. People.

Disgusting.

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Jukko Riis
Doomheim
#27 - 2015-05-08 18:48:07 UTC
Signed.


If DED was sloppy enough to let the Intel leak, it's the fault of DED, not the reporters. Intel like this is generally on a need to know basis. Since we're the ones getting attacked, since it's our crews getting killed, we have a need to know.


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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#28 - 2015-05-08 18:50:35 UTC
Sahriah BloodStone wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Not signed.
Damn gallenteans must learn where their place is.

I am happy that their "freedom" won't save their arrogant *beep*.


As one so devoted to the security of The State, i am disappointed you cannot see the bigger picture here. If the Drifters are not dealt with there will be no State to defend. I would personally consider any citizen who does not support a cause pivotal to The States survival to be a traitor. Barring that, if the Drifters wipe us out first, it would take away all your future chances to terrorize the Gallente. Can we really have that?

For now Drifters are a mere phantom menace, while Gallentes and Sansha are actual threat and hostile forces, invading and occupying Caldari territory. Fighting Drifters now is the treason against the State and humanity.

Besides, we are now talking not about drifters, but about nosy gallenteans. THEY are the enemy.

And those pseudo-"scientists", who did that autopsy and stole Drifters's body, THEY are the enemies.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#29 - 2015-05-08 18:51:34 UTC
Sahriah BloodStone wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:


As for the topic at hand, while I honestly don't believe the Scope staff are guilty of espionage, this is indeed a legal matter that CONCORD has every right to pursue. That said, my opinion of Eifyr and Co and the DED continues to sink with every day. How long have they had this message? How long have they been failing to act against the Tyrannos, or to disclose their findings with the only group capable of assisting the DED? While we of course have no right to this information, the DED is clearly failing to employ the resources at their disposal through their reticence.


Bagrat Skalski wrote:


Sometimes, the badly think out or hasty intervention can be of greater harm than good. Hiding something very dangerous from you, would mean protecting you from it. Until you are ready to confront it, it must remain hidden.


While i would have generally agreed with your sentiments in the past, the fact here is that CONCORD, the DED and any other groups that had access to this information have done absolutely nothing to prepare for this and have gone so far as to prevent anyone else from doing so. Even if they had, a threat of this magnitude is not something these entities can contain without the unified assistance of not only capsuleers, but of all citizens in New Eden. We have seen the destructive power of the Drifters and we have seen their efforts to scan our defenses, there is some incredibly sketchy leadership going on in the DED if they think the public had no right to know of the giant doomsday wielding armada at their doorstep.

I would even go as far as to speculate that CONCORD and the DED may have been compromised. Capsuleers have been the only ones to stand up to the threat thus-far. Perhaps it is us who should be wielding the power here.




Power? How this power was protecting you from Drifters, when you are attacking them? How many capsuleers don't accept DED and CONCORD advices? Was it really a good for those capsuleers not to respect them? I have a serious doubts.

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Sahriah BloodStone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2015-05-08 19:21:13 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:


Power? How this power was protecting you from Drifters, when you are attacking them? How many capsuleers don't accept DED and CONCORD advices? Was it really a good for those capsuleers not to respect them? I have a serious doubts.


Firstly i would like to state that i have never engaged a drifter. I did once chase a circadian sleeper away when it tried to scan me however after it did not reply to hails asking it to cease and desist.

If someone comes into your home and starts going through your draws, your electronic files, scanning your security systems and not replying to any of your attempts to communicate with them, you would feel threatened and violated. The drifters have been doing this en masse in all areas of space, and from the reports i have read, have actively attacked many people.

The power i speak of is the power to act and the right to be privy to critical information related to our survival. Had the DED been more forthcoming with information it may have prevented people from overreacting and starting their own investigations. We have been forced to seek the knowledge for ourselves, and you should be glad there are people out there who did, or we may not even be aware of this fleet on our doorstep.

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Markus Error
Manfios
#31 - 2015-05-08 19:25:36 UTC
Signed. Scope employees delivering news is hardly espionage, DED.

"If it cannot be shot the #### down, it can always be blown the #### up."

-Unknown
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#32 - 2015-05-08 19:55:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Not signed.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#33 - 2015-05-08 20:18:39 UTC
Signed.

I like knowing when visitors are coming to my house and what they're bringing with them.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#34 - 2015-05-08 20:22:48 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Sahriah BloodStone wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Not signed.
Damn gallenteans must learn where their place is.

I am happy that their "freedom" won't save their arrogant *beep*.


As one so devoted to the security of The State, i am disappointed you cannot see the bigger picture here. If the Drifters are not dealt with there will be no State to defend. I would personally consider any citizen who does not support a cause pivotal to The States survival to be a traitor. Barring that, if the Drifters wipe us out first, it would take away all your future chances to terrorize the Gallente. Can we really have that?

For now Drifters are a mere phantom menace, while Gallentes and Sansha are actual threat and hostile forces, invading and occupying Caldari territory. Fighting Drifters now is the treason against the State and humanity.

Besides, we are now talking not about drifters, but about nosy gallenteans. THEY are the enemy.

And those pseudo-"scientists", who did that autopsy and stole Drifters's body, THEY are the enemies.

No, we are still talking about drifters. Keep on track, or go start your own thread.


Also, signed.

These people violated no laws as the information was not classified.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Thea Isotalo
Doomheim
#35 - 2015-05-08 20:43:33 UTC
Signed.


Sources in Wiyrkomi Corporation are also very interested in the release of these individuals.


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Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#36 - 2015-05-08 21:28:41 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

And those pseudo-"scientists", who did that autopsy and stole Drifters's body, THEY are the enemies.


I have been thinking. Since this is comming from you it is clear that I'm on the right track. Consider me flattered.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#37 - 2015-05-08 21:49:10 UTC
My experience with organizations like the DED tells me that this petition might have to be backed up with a fleet.

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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#38 - 2015-05-08 22:00:30 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
My experience with organizations like the DED tells me that this petition might have to be backed up with a fleet.

My experience with the DED tells me we couldn't field a fleet big enough to tickle their shields.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Sahriah BloodStone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2015-05-08 22:00:56 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
My experience with organizations like the DED tells me that this petition might have to be backed up with a fleet.


Should further action be considered necessary to safeguard our space...well we will cross that bridge when we come to it.

I urge all pilots to stay on topic and spread this petition so that the DED can hear our voices with clarity. We will not be kept in the dark any longer.

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#40 - 2015-05-08 22:01:23 UTC