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What do suicide gankers look for?

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Jordan Kandou Worley
Open for Interpretation
#1 - 2015-05-07 18:01:18 UTC
I always assumed that suicide gankers didn't want items too large, as it would just be a waste of time since they can't scoop it up without a industrial around to move it.

Until I was ganked for capital sized modules, 16,000m3

So.... what's the criteria for suicide ganks?
Pius Pareka
Doomheim
#2 - 2015-05-07 18:04:18 UTC
Bragging value of the killmail.
Stacy Lone
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-05-07 18:06:01 UTC
What makes you think they can't scoop it? Neutral hauler alt ftw.

Besides, tears are better then loot. And popping capital mods is always fun.
Hengle Teron
Rorquals Anonymous
Two Maidens One Chalice
#4 - 2015-05-07 18:13:40 UTC
be there, be dead
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#5 - 2015-05-07 18:20:05 UTC
Jordan Kandou Worley wrote:

So.... what's the criteria for suicide ganks?


An easy target.

If you're carrying more ISK in potential drops than it takes to gank you, you're a target.

If you're afk/unaware/asleep at the wheel you're a target.

If it'd be fun to gank you and people want tears/lulz, you're a target.
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-05-07 18:23:11 UTC
Fun, tears and profit. The order might be wrong...
Commissar Kate
NulzSec
#7 - 2015-05-07 18:30:25 UTC
People who complain about ganking on the forums.
Strawberry Mooses
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-05-07 18:35:42 UTC
Criteria: Target must be a player of "EVE Online" and in a internet spaceship. Everything else depends on the ganker(s). Common sense will make you safer, but never 100% "safe". Working as intended.
CCP Bartender
C C P
C C P Alliance
#9 - 2015-05-07 19:00:14 UTC
Most gankers will have alts in industrials to scoop the loot.

For professionals, the criteria is cost of ships they have to suicide to kill you vs value of your loot. Career gankers only attack targets with a loot value greater than 2x the value of the ships they need to sacrifice, because the loot fairy has a 50% chance to drop, so on average they'll do better than break even if they use the >2x metric.

I went and looked up some obelisk losses on zkillboard, looks like it takes about 10 talos' to kill one. Each talos seems to be worth about 100mil, so 10 of them is 1bil, so cost effective gankers will be looking for freighters with more than 2bil in the cargo, and sure enough, all the ganks I saw on zkillboard that don't involve plastic wrap are more than 2bil Big smile

Not sure what the number is like for normal industrials, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was around the 30mil mark (~3 t2 fit catalysts).
Black Pedro
Mine.
#10 - 2015-05-07 19:01:03 UTC
Jordan Kandou Worley wrote:
So.... what's the criteria for suicide ganks?

For me, the first criteria is whether you have a permit or not.

You don't seem to have a permit...
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#11 - 2015-05-07 19:13:00 UTC
You have their stuff. It may be in your hold, but it's their stuff.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

Leoric Firesword
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2015-05-07 19:29:19 UTC
I've always looked at it this way. If you're in space you're a target.

I've had people suicide gank my noob ships before, with absolutely nothing in the hold.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#13 - 2015-05-07 20:21:31 UTC
The criteria, from the funding source, is interdiction of highsec commerce in general to boost the profits of other parties that never get ganked.

(But the perfectly legit Eve-ish motive is draped in "greifing" and "grrrr highsec" to cover that fact so to make this matter toxic and "un-game like". Can't have real level headed PVPers take interest in countering the highsec ganking or worse, role players shouting "The Ice must flow!" in local)


Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Shakuul
Infinitus Sapientia
#14 - 2015-05-07 20:52:28 UTC
Some tips to avoid suicide ganking:


  • Never AFK autopilot
  • Never haul on Sundays or other high population times. Look at a server population graph and haul when the cost is lowest
  • Avoid high population systems if possible
  • Obey maximum cargo value rules of thumb - avoid more than 2bil in a freighter, a few hundred mil in a T2 indy, etc.
  • Don't add low volume high value items in your freighter along with capital components. Taking these separately in an interceptor with short align time will be safer.


And of course the most foolproof of them all, use courier missions with high collateral.
Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
#15 - 2015-05-07 20:57:29 UTC
Jordan Kandou Worley wrote:
So.... what's the criteria for suicide ganks?


Fun...
Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
#16 - 2015-05-07 20:57:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Logan Revelore
double post mistake.
2Sonas1Cup
#17 - 2015-05-07 21:26:49 UTC
Run incursions for a couple weeks
All of a sudden realize you have 50 billion in your wallet
And nothing to do...

this story continues tomorrow
Phoenix Jones
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-05-07 21:41:31 UTC
We'll be aware suicide tankers will go after small ships too. If the ship is worth 100 times more than what was used being ganked, it's a target also.

Let's say you have an astero with a probe launcher. People will come after it with a cheap 500k destroyer for the 60 million kill mail and whatever dropped out of it.

Same applies to cruisers if they happen to scan good mods on it. Some are just prohibitively difficult to kill though (autopilot a brick prophecy, yea they probably won't bother much).

So people do suicide gank more than freighters. Just be conscious of that.

Yaay!!!!

Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2015-05-07 21:56:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Jordan Kandou Worley wrote:
I always assumed that suicide gankers didn't want items too large, as it would just be a waste of time since they can't scoop it up without a industrial around to move it.

Until I was ganked for capital sized modules, 16,000m3

So.... what's the criteria for suicide ganks?


I have to say...I'm impressed. Instead of complaining and whining, you came and asked a good question...which by the sounds of of it you'll use the answer to try and avoid being ganked in the future.

Basically, they'll go for high value cargo. Space is not usually an issue as they'll just bring in a ship(s) big enough to scoop the loot. They also like it if you are autopiloting as it will give them a bit more time to set up a bumping ship...usually on the out gate of the system they are going to gank you in, but not always. Now that freighters can fit modules they may even do a ship scan...if they can't get enough DPS because you've fit reinforced bulkheads that might save you....but you'd be foolish to bet on it.

A scout. A scout with webs. Are probably your two best options. If you can squeeze your cargo into a transport ship, even better. Limiting the value of your cargo can help, but sometimes the gankers just want a gank. Maybe its been a slow night and a bunch of catalysts are not that much isk, so...there is always the gank for ****s and giggles.

And +1 for asking a good question.

Oh, and they might go the ransom route. Figuring your Obelisk is work 1.2-1.3 billion, plus say...500 million in cargo they might figure you'll pony up some isk not to let it get destroyed.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

Solecist Project
#20 - 2015-05-07 23:02:13 UTC

I fully oppose throwing everyone into the greed-bucket.

Especially me.


I have 99 reasons to gank ...
... but money ain't one.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

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