EVE General Discussion

I always assumed that suicide gankers didn't want items too large, as it would just be a waste of time since they can't scoop it up without a industrial around to move it.

Until I was ganked for capital sized modules, 16,000m3

So.... what's the criteria for suicide ganks?

What makes you think they can't scoop it? Neutral hauler alt ftw.

Besides, tears are better then loot. And popping capital mods is always fun.

An easy target.

If you're carrying more ISK in potential drops than it takes to gank you, you're a target.

If you're afk/unaware/asleep at the wheel you're a target.

If it'd be fun to gank you and people want tears/lulz, you're a target.

People who complain about ganking on the forums.

Most gankers will have alts in industrials to scoop the loot.

For professionals, the criteria is cost of ships they have to suicide to kill you vs value of your loot. Career gankers only attack targets with a loot value greater than 2x the value of the ships they need to sacrifice, because the loot fairy has a 50% chance to drop, so on average they'll do better than break even if they use the >2x metric.

I went and looked up some obelisk losses on zkillboard, looks like it takes about 10 talos' to kill one. Each talos seems to be worth about 100mil, so 10 of them is 1bil, so cost effective gankers will be looking for freighters with more than 2bil in the cargo, and sure enough, all the ganks I saw on zkillboard that don't involve plastic wrap are more than 2bil

Not sure what the number is like for normal industrials, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was around the 30mil mark (~3 t2 fit catalysts).

You have their stuff. It may be in your hold, but it's their stuff.

The criteria, from the funding source, is interdiction of highsec commerce in general to boost the profits of other parties that never get ganked.

(But the perfectly legit Eve-ish motive is draped in "greifing" and "grrrr highsec" to cover that fact so to make this matter toxic and "un-game like". Can't have real level headed PVPers take interest in countering the highsec ganking or worse, role players shouting "The Ice must flow!" in local)

Fun...

Run incursions for a couple weeks
All of a sudden realize you have 50 billion in your wallet
And nothing to do...

this story continues tomorrow

I have to say...I'm impressed. Instead of complaining and whining, you came and asked a good question...which by the sounds of of it you'll use the answer to try and avoid being ganked in the future.

Basically, they'll go for high value cargo. Space is not usually an issue as they'll just bring in a ship(s) big enough to scoop the loot. They also like it if you are autopiloting as it will give them a bit more time to set up a bumping ship...usually on the out gate of the system they are going to gank you in, but not always. Now that freighters can fit modules they may even do a ship scan...if they can't get enough DPS because you've fit reinforced bulkheads that might save you....but you'd be foolish to bet on it.

A scout. A scout with webs. Are probably your two best options. If you can squeeze your cargo into a transport ship, even better. Limiting the value of your cargo can help, but sometimes the gankers just want a gank. Maybe its been a slow night and a bunch of catalysts are not that much isk, so...there is always the gank for ****s and giggles.

And +1 for asking a good question.

Oh, and they might go the ransom route. Figuring your Obelisk is work 1.2-1.3 billion, plus say...500 million in cargo they might figure you'll pony up some isk not to let it get destroyed.