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So, what do you guys think about kill boards?

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Apex Bex
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#1 - 2015-05-07 10:26:11 UTC
I love kill boards as much as the next guy, but sometimes it feels overpowered as an intelligence source. Especially in w space where the lack of local adds to the mystery and shroud, but kill boards kind of undermine that. Any thoughts?

Disciple of Bob
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#2 - 2015-05-07 10:27:46 UTC
Neckbeard Nolyfe
Zero Fun Allowed
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#3 - 2015-05-07 10:36:00 UTC
It is overpowered free intel and thus should be removed.
All it takes is checking the jsig of a wh you jump in, and you see who lives in it, what their tz is, how many people they get in fleets, what ships they use.

Perfect example of what is wrong with killboards.

if you are scouting somebody you should do it yourself and not rely on external automated tools!

~lvl 60 paladin~
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#4 - 2015-05-07 11:04:15 UTC
Neckbeard Nolyfe wrote:
It is overpowered free intel and thus should be removed.


I wonder how this goes with your opinion towards watchlists, given they actually give accurate intel on login-status whereas the KB just spits you out things they've done in the past (thought e turn out to be like 95% accurate for the next situation).

Watchlists pinch into the same niche of free intel, KBs though only carry info about your activity if you uploaded a key first, or shoot lots of API-verified people.
Ghenghis Kralj
Big Johnson's
#5 - 2015-05-07 15:05:55 UTC
this is the first time in 5 years that i have ever read somebody complain about killboards containing too much or any intel. that's how stupid this post is.
Jez Amatin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-05-07 15:21:07 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
You would say that


to be fair, he's keeping the market in t1 exploration frigs in good shape Lol
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#7 - 2015-05-07 15:24:16 UTC
maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't put your APIs in then? Not a be all end all solution, but it can help.

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
MooMooDachshundCow
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-05-07 15:32:34 UTC
OP probably thinks that damage notifications give away too much info about his resist profile too. Roll

Yeah, well, it's just like my opinion, man.
Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-05-07 15:52:46 UTC
I agree with the OP. On the other hand without killboard there's no way to gather intel without having someone connected and active 24/7 in your target's system to watch what's happening (which is mostly nothing). It sounds cool but probably too hardcore for many of us.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-05-07 23:22:28 UTC
This has absolutely nothing to do with wspace. Good job.
Also, it's a non issue.

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#11 - 2015-05-07 23:41:05 UTC
What Jack said.

Wow, we really are scraping the bottom of the barrel for stuff to complain about or try and nerf these days. What?

Though I've a feeling OP was just a funny troll and actually doubt this is intended as a cereal topic.

Ghenghis Kralj wrote:
this is the first time in 5 years that i have ever read somebody complain about killboards containing too much or any intel. that's how stupid this post is.

I've seen it before (from like .. 2 people?), there's even a suggestion thread for it in features and ideas to remove KBs completely.

Silliest idea ever imo, even worse than the whole watchlist thing.

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Neckbeard Nolyfe
Zero Fun Allowed
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#12 - 2015-05-08 00:34:14 UTC
It's ok apex, looks like none got the joke.

~lvl 60 paladin~
Iyokus Patrouette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-05-08 01:19:10 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
This has absolutely nothing to do with wspace. Good job.
Also, it's a non issue.


You don't understand, every thing has to do with wormhole space all the time! even non issue things. . actually especially the non issue things.

God knows there hasn't actually been any 'wormhole' content in this sub forum for a long time now.

---- Advocate for the initiation of purple coloured wormholes----

Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#14 - 2015-05-08 02:32:41 UTC
I know that the OP spends way too much time staring at retrievers before killing them. he ought to become internet famous by videoing himself. Remember to pat yourself on the back copiously and egregiously every time you kill a noob ship.

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Apex Bex
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#15 - 2015-05-08 02:34:46 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
I know that the OP spends way too much time staring at retrievers before killing them. he ought to become internet famous by videoing himself. Remember to pat yourself on the back copiously and egregiously every time you kill a noob ship.



This one time I killed like seven MTU's but totally forgot to tape it. Opportunity lost.

Disciple of Bob
Jhousetlin Zamayid
#16 - 2015-05-09 09:30:17 UTC
People still care about killboards? Wow. lol
FNPD
Doomheim
#17 - 2015-05-09 16:41:21 UTC
The difference in a killboard and a watchlist is someone had to VOLUNTEER to provide that intel to the killboard. Either you OR THE VICTIM has the ability to advertise what has happened to them.

A watchlist is involuntary information that makes zero sense. You could argue in known space that maybe if you are linked to a local you could see if someone is online, but in w-space a watch list is free intel that make ZERO sense from a RP standpoint or from the standpoint of a game that intel has to be earned in some way. If you say knowing that someone online is not intel, that is also a lie, it is intelligence that you should have to earn by either physically seeing them or through local channels.
Apex Bex
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#18 - 2015-05-10 04:53:38 UTC
FNPD wrote:
The difference in a killboard and a watchlist is someone had to VOLUNTEER to provide that intel to the killboard. Either you OR THE VICTIM has the ability to advertise what has happened to them.

A watchlist is involuntary information that makes zero sense. You could argue in known space that maybe if you are linked to a local you could see if someone is online, but in w-space a watch list is free intel that make ZERO sense from a RP standpoint or from the standpoint of a game that intel has to be earned in some way. If you say knowing that someone online is not intel, that is also a lie, it is intelligence that you should have to earn by either physically seeing them or through local channels.


Yo dude, I think you're lost. This isn't about watch lists, k?

Way to derail my thread, man.

But hey, since we're talking about RP, how many times in your real life have you logged off to avoid a fight?

Disciple of Bob
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#19 - 2015-05-11 17:29:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Serendipity Lost
KB are actually totally underpowered. The limited ability to sort or gather info from the current popular kbs is mostly non-existant.

For example the eve-kill fascination w/ breaking things into monthly only blocks is just beyond my understanding.

For a kb to be OP it would need the following features:

1. One click to all of an individuals kb history
2. The ability to parse that individuals history by // tz // system // ship type // gang size //
3. Sort a pilot by solo kills
4. Sort a pilot / corp / alliance by activity (graph from 0000 to 2400)
5. Sort a pilot / corp / alliance by types of ships flown in the last (pull down menu for time period)

It should go as follows:

click on a kill
You are now 1 click away from the pilot / corp / alliance data of all parties involved in that kill
Once you pick the pilot / corp / alliance you should be one click away from the following pages:
solo kills
average gang size
ship type(s) flown by most to least popular
where the pvp happens for that pilot / corp / alliance
when the pvp happens for that pilot / corp / alliance

This would make a kb both OP and useful. There really isn't a kb out there right now that gives quick clicking to relevant data. Honestly, when I'm looking up a pilot / group I've just encountered I could give a ratsassamatass about their isk efficiency or their all time standing against every other kb whorecorp in eve. I just want to get a quick image of how big their gang might be and what they might be flying.

All that efficiency this and that is great for recruitment and chest beating, but it would sure be nice to be able to size up an opponent quickly to make some informed decisions on the spot when you encournter them.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#20 - 2015-05-12 12:38:01 UTC
FNPD wrote:
The difference in a killboard and a watchlist is someone had to VOLUNTEER to provide that intel to the killboard. Either you OR THE VICTIM has the ability to advertise what has happened to them.

A watchlist is involuntary information that makes zero sense. You could argue in known space that maybe if you are linked to a local you could see if someone is online, but in w-space a watch list is free intel that make ZERO sense from a RP standpoint or from the standpoint of a game that intel has to be earned in some way. If you say knowing that someone online is not intel, that is also a lie, it is intelligence that you should have to earn by either physically seeing them or through local channels.



So as a wh gal that is totally not a RP - I could give a ratsassamatass about the RP relevance of the watch list. As far as volunteer - the watch list is an original game mechanic that is used sucessfully for many forms of pvp. This fact (that's it's used in various ways to execute pvp) alone should make every player in eve want to keep and protect it. Most of the whinerbabies that want it gone are folks that have trouble dealing with the possibility that someone may be working on blowing up their precious little space ship.

You volunteer to be a part of that game mechanic by logging in. The difference between a kb and a watch list that you point out is that you like kb and don't like watch lists. You volunteer for both by logging (watch list) and undocking (makes you available to be on a kb). You personally don't have to do either if you really don't like the mechanics involved.

Can folks use the watch list for hunting supers? You bet! Can folks use the watch list to do login traps? You bet! Is it a source of intel? You bet! Is it a PVP tool? Absolutely! Is it used for PVE and farming? Not really. Should the watch list be in the game? Hellsyeahs.

Also - get out of the kb thread you blah blah bleep bleep blah

TL/DR Remove the watchlist proponents are either whiney super pilots or whiney bears - I don't give a ratsassamatass about either. Get your watchlist aided PVP on brothers and sisters!
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