EVE General Discussion

Tristan and Vexor as it happens, just because I don't think anyone can make the current Dominix model look good.

Yes, but when they finally release this new dominix model that shouldn't be an issue as the concepts of it look great.

But on topic, whatever they do they need to not annoy the people who have already invested in skins. If you check the market people have paid billions for the Quafe battleships, so obviously you cant compare that with a Tristan which is only 200mil at the moment.

Indeed, if you want a great way to undermine confidence in a new system and to make sure that people who have bought into it never purchase another skin again then you've hit the nail on the head with your suggestion.

*chuckles*

Ah, right. Thanks for asking the question.

For starters, I would like to see the Faction and Megacorporation color schemes available on each and every hull.

Even knowing that one set of colors can SKIN everything, I would be willing to pay microtransaction costs for the right to enable it on one hull. I would probably have sticker shock over the price of a "SKIN every hull" license, though you could offer it for a slight discount compared to the total SKIN cost of every hull. Someone would buy it, and no one would get upset at the price, because it's a discount on prices they're OK with.

The NES would be a wall of selection, so I'd have to view by hull or by faction color and then ship class and then race. People like hulls more than colors, I think. The shopping sequence would go like: navigate to my favorite hull, flip through all the available colors for it, add them to shopping cart one by one according to the ones I like, check out. Sweet, I just spent $20 in AUR on a hull I like, and I wasn't gouged.

The good news is people's favorite hull changes as they skill up.

Rough estimate, there are how many base hull models in EVE? 100? Each one should be max $2.50, which means if I want a SKIN license that works on all ships, it would be $250.00 But keep in mind I'm a little more loose with disposable income. It should realistically be more like $1.00 per hull per color scheme.

It needs to work according to base hull, so Vexor / VNI / Ishtar etc for one SKIN, with the exception of bombers and other special snowflakes. Priced slightly less just for being unique and having less variations per hull? Perhaps not?

By Guristas colors, and any set of Faction / Megacorporation colors, I would get to buy it for microtransaction cost on:

Your pod
Crucifier
Executioner
Inquisitor
Magnate
Punisher
Tormentor
Bantam
Condor
Griffin
Heron
Kestrel
Merlin
Atron
Imicus
Incursus
Maulus
Navitas
Tristan
Breacher
Burst
Probe
Rifter
Slasher
Vigil
Venture
Each bomber
Arbitrator
Augoror
Maller
Omen
Blackbird
Caracal
Moa
Osprey
Celestis
Exequoror
Thorax
Vexor
Bellicose
Rupture
Scythe
Stabber
Coercer
Dragoon
Corax
Cormorant
Algos
Catalyst
Talwar
Thrasher
Orca (Serpentis Orca whaat)
Harbinger
Oracle
Prophecy
Drake
Ferox
Naga
Brutix
Myrmidon
Talos
Cyclone
Hurricane
Tornado
Abaddon
Apocalypse
Armageddon
Raven
Rokh
Scorpion
Dominix
Hyperion
Megathron
Maelstrom
Tempest
Typhoon
Archon
Aeon
Thanatos
Nyx
Nidhoggur
Hel
Chimera
Wyvern
Revelation
Moros
Naglfar
Phoenix
Avatar
Erebus
Ragnarok
Leviathan
Rorqual
Providence
Charon
Obelisk
Fenrir
Bowhead
The industrials and others (I won't list them, but I counted, there are 23 more including rookie ships and shuttles)
Pirate ships, 12 or something (Angel / Sansha etc). Maybe. Those ships are kind of odd with SKINs imo.

125+ possible hulls that each color scheme can be applied to, which means it would also apply to the T2.

one by one, $1.00 to $2.50 max.

For a just-to-offer-it-for-publicity and irl ballers (and really special occasion prizes like AT), a SKIN-every-ship license for single hull price x 125, so ranging from $125 - $312.50 to have a Serpentis license to SKIN everything. I suggest discounting that SKIN-everything license to $250.

75,000 AUR per color scheme total, discounted to something like 60,000 AUR for a SKIN everything license.

I already know I would gift one to Commissar Kate per year at Christmas time, with real money. Direct real money sales (and not PLEX) will be a trickle, but they will sell and again, no one will resent you for it when the individual ships are available a la carte. (Right now all I can get Kate is things like annuals, but we're about to not need to pay irl money to play EVE ;-)

You'd make it into the news for offering digital goods costing as much as a physical new PS4 or XBox One. And that will be okay. SC's LTI ship packs can suckit (ten total packs of $15 k is cute but you can spend way more in EVE mmmmothaf.....!!)

Speaking of, LTI would never sit right in EVE. SKINs are a perfect blend of getting something back that survives ship destruction, and loss that is an important part of EVE. This would be EVE doing it better.

Yes people wear $1,000.00 jeans but good god, we like to lounge around in Wal Mart tee shirts and shorts a lot too.

I realize not everyone has characters that can make use of a SKIN that applies to all hulls. But some players do, I have like ten. Once you get into that strata of players who can fly everything, and afford everything, it's hard to find things that entice them. This pricing structure I suggested covers them all the way down to rookies.

Yeah, this. Check my accounts, and my characters... no SKINs applied, mainly because nothing T2 is available, and I fly T2 nowadays. I have zero interest in T1 hull SKINs, and it's one reason why you should make SKINs apply according to base hull. Or else I'll never buy the T1s / you'd be obsoleting those by default for players like me.

About AUR pack pricing... the $100 pack is simply the $50 x 2. I'm not sure why that is, I'm guessing it's to make direct real money AUR purchases not too competitive against PLEX conversion, but I think you should revisit that. Perhaps also making a multiple PLEX -> AUR conversion discount would help lift the AUR pack discount limit.

... I mean, do you want to sell stuff or do you want to sell stuff?

Woops, I forgot I converted two PLEX for an Archon SKIN for Kate and a Nidhoggur SKIN for myself. Did it just to participate in the hype over the rollout, but it was underwhelming.

Instead of having to refund any purchases that were already made, you could do what you did the first time around and make those never available again. It was crazy the first time and also valid in this situation to excuse such a drastic reset of pricing.

I would expect you would get buyers if you offered the following service:

10 PLEX: Submit an alliance-specific custom skin (colour scheme, alliance logo appears somewhere on the hull if technically possible). All alliance members could use it and your alliance is deemed to own the skin (in-game, not in terms of real-world copyright).
5 PLEX: Your alliance may use the skin designed by another alliance, if you have their permission.



As for me personally - I play on minimum settings and so have no interest in buying skins unless they manage to be both hilarious and not immersion breaking.

One more thing I'd like to see - permanent skins available from COSMOS missions.

Yes, some of these (from highsec COSMOS missions) will quickly become worth very little. But some might remain desired.

Ok i will take you up on that.

First every skin on every ship does work with that recent lore trailer with disguises and everything.

However, skins that behave like that need to be in a size category not a specific ship category.


Example

Gallente quafe frigate
Gallente quafe cruiser.

Since you are getting multiple ships with one skin i would expect to pay a median range price for each ship range. So the more ships it affects the higher the price, the fewer ships it effects the lower the price. So in this case for quafe, frigates would cost teh most, where battle ships and destroyers would cost the least as they affect the least amount of ships by size category.

I have been playing with the bug and it has been some of the most fun I have had with a single feature in eve.. no joke. Its such a beautiful game and some skins just let that shine in ways that nothing I have seen does. At first I was feeling that some of the justification around lore was valid.. but as I kept playing and took my Serpentis skinned Sleipner out on a roam I was convinced that you have to have all skins for all ships even if they are just a color scheme change and not a pattern. I am a role player. Lore means a lot to me. But I can’t get over the sight of my alts each having a different paint on the same ship to match their race. Its like an unrealized dream.

So my sale strategy is go all out and let every skin currently out affect every hull as a simple color swap like they are mostly now. Sell patterned skins as a pack, ie like how the Sukuuvestaa is on some ships. Sell the individuals only if they are super special like the YC117 skins that I see you have hidden.

My price range around be based around how intense the skin is. ::Using US dollars:: All the gold and silver shiny ones with patterns would of course cost the most but at most 30$ where more plain and flat skins would cost at least 10$. These of course go to all ships. The limited pattern skins that only affect some ships would be in the 5$ to 20$ range based on how many and the quality of the skins. The ultra rare would be about the same based on how sweet it is.
Finally if QA is a serious problem, my solution is to make a chart. That can be accessed in game that has all QA tested ships and skin combo’s. Any that don’t fall on this fall under the rules that CCP currently has up for the bug, and a warning is issued on using it.