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Crew Clones

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Commentus Nolen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-05-02 16:49:03 UTC
What is the lore reason only capsuleer's have clones available to use. It seems the ideal of this type of cloning along with real time memory recording would be something all citizens of New Eden would want. Otherwise why would any NCP want to join a crew.

And yes I did Google it.
Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2015-05-02 16:56:07 UTC
Commentus Nolen wrote:
Otherwise why would any NCP want to join a crew.


They do it for their families. All of my perished crew's families are well compensated for their family member's sacrifice for a just cause. Twisted

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#3 - 2015-05-02 17:16:28 UTC
Commentus Nolen wrote:
... would be something all citizens of New Eden would want.
I can imagine a lot of them wanting it. But there is a reason that compared to the amount of people there actually are in the New Eden cluster, there are so few capsuleers: It is mindbogglingly expensive. To become one and to sustain one.

For comparison, a few million Isk is but small change for capsuleers. On most planets you can set an entire family up for quite a comfortable life for the same amount.
Imagine being middle class, working hard and supporting your family from a yearly wage of 20k Isk. Now imagine paying for cloning facilities from that......

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Commentus Nolen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-05-02 17:51:27 UTC
ISD Ezwal wrote:
Commentus Nolen wrote:
... would be something all citizens of New Eden would want.
I can imagine a lot of them wanting it. But there is a reason that compared to the amount of people there actually are in the New Eden cluster, there are so few capsuleers: It is mindbogglingly expensive. To become one and to sustain one.

For comparison, a few million Isk is but small change for capsuleers. On most planets you can set an entire family up for quite a comfortable life for the same amount.
Imagine being middle class, working hard and supporting your family from a yearly wage of 20k Isk. Now imagine paying for cloning facilities from that......



Thank you for your answer, but the question remains why is it so expensive, is there some kind of rare implant or material used. If you read some of the space operas Peter F. Hamilton writes (which I believe some of the lore and technology is based on) the cost is covered by insurance and a percentage of your income. Not to mention "economies of scale" bringing the cost down.

Now I am not trying to be argumentative I am just curious as to why it is so limited.
u3pog
Ministerstvo na otbranata
#5 - 2015-05-02 18:05:28 UTC
Commentus Nolen wrote:
ISD Ezwal wrote:
Commentus Nolen wrote:
... would be something all citizens of New Eden would want.
I can imagine a lot of them wanting it. But there is a reason that compared to the amount of people there actually are in the New Eden cluster, there are so few capsuleers: It is mindbogglingly expensive. To become one and to sustain one.

For comparison, a few million Isk is but small change for capsuleers. On most planets you can set an entire family up for quite a comfortable life for the same amount.
Imagine being middle class, working hard and supporting your family from a yearly wage of 20k Isk. Now imagine paying for cloning facilities from that......



Thank you for your answer, but the question remains why is it so expensive, is there some kind of rare implant or material used. If you read some of the space operas Peter F. Hamilton writes (which I believe some of the lore and technology is based on) the cost is covered by insurance and a percentage of your income. Not to mention "economies of scale" bringing the cost down.

Now I am not trying to be argumentative I am just curious as to why it is so limited.


Must be something with the neurons and the complexity of the clone that sets the price so high, remember we had clone grades until recently and the best were very expensive. They must have finally figured out how to unify all clones, hence the removal of grades.
As Ezwal stated we capsuleers are the high end of the society, we get all the benefits, because we do all the dirty work for the empires and we also shape their fate for the most part. Think of us as a super soldiers in which the defense department invests a lot to be the most efficient.
Daerrol
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-05-02 18:05:31 UTC
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#7 - 2015-05-02 18:07:12 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Commentus Nolen wrote:
What is the lore reason only capsuleer's have clones available to use. It seems the ideal of this type of cloning along with real time memory recording would be something all citizens of New Eden would want. Otherwise why would any NCP want to join a crew.

And yes I did Google it.

Your Google-fu is weak! P

Cloning in EVE
TRANSNEURAL BURNING SCANNER
The Capsule and the Clone
tldr;
- brain scanning kills the original subject
- brain scanning equipment requires bulky equipment
- brain scanning equipment is a bit sensitive, so it doesn't work too well in "uncontrolled environments"
- brain scanning is VERY expensive (100,000 ISK or more per clone).
- non-capsuleers in EVE earn, at most, about 10 to 15,000 ISK in their lifetimes.

- the purpose of a capsule is to basically render the "command structure" of a ship redundant... making it so that a ship can run efficiently with a minimal crew
- the capsule (that the player's character is in) provides the necessary controlled environment and space for the brain scanning equipment to be installed and used
- what crew you do have are for ship/weapon/module maintenance and re-calibration... basically they are there for fixing things by hand and system support... both of which you can't be in a capsule to do


Exception:
- DUST/Legion neural implants: new technology... somewhat unstable... very expensive. It essentially replaces entire sections of the brain and allows the host to be instantly cloned at the time of death.
The current empress of the Amarr Empire used this tech. She's now shares her body with a psychotic consciousness that drives her to wage war and chaos.
Commentus Nolen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-05-02 18:15:36 UTC


Thank you that is what I was looking for.
d0cTeR9
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-05-02 18:30:15 UTC  |  Edited by: d0cTeR9
Commentus Nolen wrote:
What is the lore reason only capsuleer's have clones available to use. It seems the ideal of this type of cloning along with real time memory recording would be something all citizens of New Eden would want. Otherwise why would any NCP want to join a crew.

And yes I did Google it.


#1 Not everyone can be clone like a capsuleer (something in the lore about having to meet mental requirements).
#2 The price. 100k isk is nothing for us, for a eve citizen it's a LOT of money. The price of a nice frigate can set a family for LIFE apparently.

Commentus Nolen wrote:
ISD Ezwal wrote:
Commentus Nolen wrote:
... would be something all citizens of New Eden would want.
I can imagine a lot of them wanting it. But there is a reason that compared to the amount of people there actually are in the New Eden cluster, there are so few capsuleers: It is mindbogglingly expensive. To become one and to sustain one.

For comparison, a few million Isk is but small change for capsuleers. On most planets you can set an entire family up for quite a comfortable life for the same amount.
Imagine being middle class, working hard and supporting your family from a yearly wage of 20k Isk. Now imagine paying for cloning facilities from that......



Thank you for your answer, but the question remains why is it so expensive, is there some kind of rare implant or material used. If you read some of the space operas Peter F. Hamilton writes (which I believe some of the lore and technology is based on) the cost is covered by insurance and a percentage of your income. Not to mention "economies of scale" bringing the cost down.

Now I am not trying to be argumentative I am just curious as to why it is so limited.


...'because insurance' isn't a valid answer/reason. Look at the US... then look at Canada. Yeah big difference, yet the US makes more money, etc, but yet insurance in Canada isn't a rip off...

Also why should an insurance pay for your expensive things? This would be like you paying your $30 a month for health insurance and then asking for a bionic arm and leg... you won't get it, you'll get a plastic replacement. Now for the guy that pay's $3000 monthly insurance... he might get it Smile

Been around since the beginning.

Solecist Project
#10 - 2015-05-02 19:57:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
ISD Ezwal wrote:
Commentus Nolen wrote:
... would be something all citizens of New Eden would want.
I can imagine a lot of them wanting it. But there is a reason that compared to the amount of people there actually are in the New Eden cluster, there are so few capsuleers: It is mindbogglingly expensive. To become one and to sustain one.

For comparison, a few million Isk is but small change for capsuleers. On most planets you can set an entire family up for quite a comfortable life for the same amount.
Imagine being middle class, working hard and supporting your family from a yearly wage of 20k Isk. Now imagine paying for cloning facilities from that......
Reported for trolling. *snickers xD*

Sorry, but for 150 Million ISK you can own a populated continent easily.
And still have enough change left for the rest of your baselining life.

And an army to protect it all.

Not even the richest baseliners earn 20k ISK a year.


....


OMG I CORRECTED ISD EZWAL HAHAHAHAHAHA XD

*hugs* ^_^

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Jarod Garamonde
Sons of Seyllin
Pirate Lords of War
#11 - 2015-05-02 20:48:17 UTC
Commentus Nolen wrote:
What is the lore reason only capsuleer's have clones available to use. It seems the ideal of this type of cloning along with real time memory recording would be something all citizens of New Eden would want. Otherwise why would any NCP want to join a crew.

And yes I did Google it.


I draft all of mine from people I've "rescued" during incursions.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-05-03 04:26:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Otso Bakarti
Yeah, we had to study to be a clone, making us inventors of the clone rather a dubious notion.
Lore can be a dangerous thing. It makes ones thoughts wander into areas of no return.

Solecist Project wrote:
Reported for trolling. *snickers xD*

Sorry, but for 150 Million ISK you can own a populated continent easily.
And still have enough change left for the rest of your baselining life.

And an army to protect it all.

Not even the richest baseliners earn 20k ISK a year.

....

OMG I CORRECTED ISD EZWAL HAHAHAHAHAHA XD

*hugs* ^_^
Having taken the time to read this over and over to see if some sort of coherent meaning would suddenly appear, I must confess I have completely failed. However, I did notice some of its manic features resemble the work of folks who happened to miss a dose, or two. The fault, dear Sol, is not in our Ezwals, but in ourselves.

There just isn't anything that can be said!

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#13 - 2015-05-03 05:28:16 UTC
Commentus Nolen wrote:
What is the lore reason only capsuleer's have clones available to use. It seems the ideal of this type of cloning along with real time memory recording would be something all citizens of New Eden would want. Otherwise why would any NCP want to join a crew.

And yes I did Google it.




Life for non capsuleers is in fact "brutal and short".


New Eden has trillions of people in it, and competition for resources (jobs) is high. So they will indeed sign on as crew because the alternative is poverty.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#14 - 2015-05-03 09:56:32 UTC
I don't have a crew. I'm sure they wont be able to keep up with me anyway

No crew = no additional clones required = problem solved
Gerhard Stringfellow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-05-03 12:43:20 UTC
Capsuleers are supposed to be incredibly wealthy individuals, and the ratio for isk value isn't 1 isk=1 USD, it's much much more in favor isk for in-game lore purposes.

Consider that null-sec capsuleers own space larger than empire space, which is multiple worlds running all sorts of operations. You're living as a capsuleer at a scale of wealth so far removed from what's really comprehensible in an OOC sense; hell, you've already bought immortality, if that says anything at all, and that's the baseline for any capsuleer in EvE regardless of how successful or unsuccessful they are.

Another pubbie elite PvE pay to win mining carebear

Kessiaan
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2015-05-03 13:08:43 UTC
One of the principal benefits of Team Kessiaan is free and compulsory clone service for all crew members. Good help is hard to find and I don't want my crew running for the escape pods just because we're in structure.