EVE General Discussion

First of all, why wouldn't you believe those numbers?

Say there are two sections of space—both of which are viable to make a living out of: There's the relatively safe section and not-safe at all section. Given some group of players, most of the group will hang around the safe area. Similarly, most of the group are probably going to do safer things. Even corporations wouldn't be so sought after if they didn't provide safety (combat-wise, financially, and socially). That should be an obvious aspect of how people will generally behave. I'm not saying this is reason to cater to HighSec PvE, or try to draw in a WoW crowd. I'm saying that this is just the natural structure of things. To not believe it, I think, is just being stubborn.

Furthermore, imagine EvE without PvP, but with everything else (P.I., corporations, market, mining, hauling, manufacturing, taxes, some-way-of-claiming-territory, shares, exploration, wormholes, incursions, etc.). Yeah, PvP plays a huge role—but how can you seriously claim that EvE without PvP wouldn't be an awesome game? (I don't think it would be as awesome as it is now, but I'd still play the **** out of it.)

Yes, I understand that a lot of demand is created by PvP, but can you seriously not imagine a game without it? You could replace PvP with spaceship-Tetris-puzzles and still have a high demand; that isn't exclusive to PvP. I don't see why anyone would claim it is.

That being said, I think the PvP is awesome. I like that a huge number of players seek their safety in HighSec or something. EvE is a niche game, and shouldn't cater to the "WoW crowd" (WoW sucks). Also, I almost exclusively play solo, and spend 90% of my time in wormholes and LowSec. I don't PvP (I will, eventually), and do a pretty good job avoiding it.

What the hell are you guys even talking about?

I can only apologise for all the gankers who play easy mode.

Time and time again I complained about people ruining the profession
by using scouting alts and hiding in station all the time.

And then the bullshit about the faction police.

The issue isn't that the risk isn't there for -10.
It's there and it's fun flying around as -10 all day.

You can ask Hengle to verify it. I taught him.
Most people refuse my playstyle as -10 because it's too demanding.

Good times.
Oh btw I can prove my words. I actually want to repeat my run from 2012 ...
... when people loved me for not being like all the others ...
... to raise some money for PLEX4GOOD. IF ONLY I GOT TO PLAY!


Anyhow... it's still a sandbox. What's missing is a player police.
That's not thw fault of the game, but of the bigmouthing idiots
who claim achievements for whoring on lossmails and doing nothing else.

And of the typical highseccer who can only complain
but not raise his ass to do something himself.

Besides the few who actually prevent death of ships ...
... but they are too limited in their spectrum and reach.

Anyhow ... your hate is showing a bit.
Not much. Just a bit.

In any way show your numbers that suicide ganking is absolutely literally a non-issue. ^_^

Sorry but the way people do it ...
... ganking is easymode gameplay.

And I was a bigtime, famous (quote Psychotic Monk et al) suicide ganker.

I refused to play that way and still do,
because it is literally easymode with ...
... scouting alts ...
... hiding the gankchar in station until a target is found ...
... and only undocking for the 30sec until the gank is done.

And no, the faction police is no issue at all besides ECM.

Now... I'm notnsaying carebears have a point.
They should at least first get experience in it before they whine about it ...
... but anyone who says ganking is high risk etc ...
... and at the same time plays easymode ...
... has no ground to speak whatsoever.

I've come from Wow. been playing 2 weeks


They ruined my class.

If you came from a PvP server, then you might have a good idea what it's like here.... only it's everyone you'll have to watch out for.

https://www.themittani.com/news/eve-mosaic-patch-notes

Wow. They completely ruined warp speed rigs. They ruined ore. They ruined so much and gave us pay real money/aurum for fancy ship colors?

This is terrible.

Not the WoW that was part of the thread.

The change to the rigs requires a bit of rejigging fittings, but ore ruined? Only for the 'farmers'.

Your analysis is only true if the guy in the Hulk refuses to take the most basic of options open to everyone in an MMO and work with other people.

You are effectively complaining that the rules of boxing are biased against you because you only want to fight with one hand tied behind your back and both eyes shut.

If no place in space was safe because concord didnt insta-blap you, and it wasn't a bannable offence to beat concord, then players would be forced into interacting with the game world and the rest of the players to improve their safety, and they'd STILL have hi-sec safety after all is said and done, because the'yd develop systems of gank protection on their own ships as well as overall system protection through other players patrolling **** and shooting down wanna-be baddies.

Your theory is entirely correct, and hi-sec play simply makes it effortlessly easy. Without it, players would still want this system, because you can't beat human nature. They prefer that system in real life, they'd prefer it in game, and it would be significantly more kick ass for the game to be fully player moderated to provide that kind of environment, rather than the whole concord-splat thing.

I somewhat agree with you, and i'm one of those dreaded "high sec-er".

However, I come to the conclusion that it should be in this way until high sec has a real natural enemy.

Every "space" has its natural enemy, in nullsec the other alliance is your natural enemy, in low sec the roamers and various pvp-ers are you natural enemy, but high sec without gankers would be a place with no real enemies.

And probably people reading my comment will say "it's easy to speak from a npc corp", but trust me, I thought a lot about joining a corp or simply make a one man corp to avoid taxes, and I came to the conclusion it's not worth the hassle. Anyone can drop corp when war decced, but no one can escape a gank. And if you are targeted by a gank it's partially your fault.

Like posting on the forums about ganks, but anyway I'm mainly a station trader, so no real threat here.

And as station trader I say ganking is easy mode, but thanks god there is the ganking to move markets otherwise stagnants, like those of the mining barges, missioning ship and transport ships, with relative fittings.

Not to mentions, it's a gameplay, without the "bear" there would be no ganking, no LP store faction stuffs, no "cheap" implants, but without the pvpers, the industrialist would have no one to sell his/her items, because the market would saturate, if the market saturate the station trader would bankrupt, and so on...

TL;DR version, people should accept any kind of gameplay, because in a sandbox everybody does his/her part