EVE General Discussion

Restricting shipskins because they do not fit with the lore..... And why do the Chinese have all kinds of cool skins including a golden Raven? That also doesn't fit with the lore, right? CCP listen to the player base and make all skins available for every ship. That is what WE want!

Read your forums, read reddit. We want all skins for all ships!

(These are the Chinese shipskins I'm talking about. No lore, nothing.)

http://i.imgur.com/ofEUYCs.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/iEAsx6Z.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MRjN75R.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ignlNix.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/7e80QBB.jpg

I've reached my long standing goal in EVE!

Guristas Edition Venture, Guristas Edition Astero, Guristas Edition Heron. Guristas Edition Everything.

I've basically won EVE! Going to take the pretiest screenshots humanly possible and I will cherish them forever!

http://imgur.com/KWDBRpD

I understand from a buisness standpoint, CCP may have wanted to test the waters with single ship skins and see how it went before giving the greenlight for multiple ships, like i get it.....

But that does not mean that now that we've all seen what the system can really do, we won't expect more.

30$ for a single ship skin? is too much......

Do the right thing here CCP and enable cross faction colors etc. You cant have a literal quafe billboard flying around in the form of a nyx, and then claim that your universe is too dark etc. to allow cross race skins. We can fly other races ships, use thier guns, but cant copy a paintjob?

Now would also probably be a good time to standardize prices, one color set shouldnt cost more than another etc.

You may be able to get away with higher priced "premium" "This week only and never again" skins.... that might work,

I had more fun tonight messing around with all the variations, and the possibilitys than i have for a very long time, and im sure im not alone in that, reddit is practically on fire with all the attention and fun people are having with it.

I would be ok with single ship skins, but not at the current prices, its simply too much, i urge CCP to listen to the playerbase here, in the short time this "bug" has been known its generated a ton of buzz, its up to you guys now to decide where to go with the ball, plz dont drop the ball, trip on the ball and smash your faces into the ground.



I like your faces.......

I'll be honest here. I'm very much against the idea of full on any-ship-with-any-skin idea. I don't mind customization. I'm not against an array of skins for a single ship, faction, or race. But going the end of allowing completely nonsensical things like a guristas revelation? That's too much for me.

Faction and corporation colors have always had a very big impact on the aesthetic and feel of the game as a whole. Heck, the addition of differing station color patterns was great addition to immersion (with a few exceptions in my opinion). If complete freedom is allowed in addition of skins to any faction ship, they lose a great amount of uniqueness. Not just the ship itself, but the color or patterns it's borrowing from too. It has a very counterintuitive effect when, for instance, an amarrian ship is completely decked out in quafe colors. It also takes away from the feel of quafe as a corporation of Gallentian origin.

And for non-faction related colors, like full gold or white, it definitely takes away any uniqueness from the skin itself. It steals from the uniqueness of Amarrian ships and their gold plating or the SOE and their white scheme (medical/rescue/humanitarian theme?).

Too much blending of different unique colors and faction patterns makes them less important. It's likely that after enough time, the glory of full customization will fade as it sets in that no ship has any unique features over any other. Why "trust in the rust" when you can fly with a shiny chrome coating?

All that being said, I'll say it again, I'm not against having some freedom of choice in what colors you fly with and what looks best (in the eye of the beholder) on any given ship. But I would rather we approach this with a sense of restraint. I don't think there is any issue with any given ship having something unique like a design or corporate/faction logo on the hull, to show off who your allegiance lies with. Or having pinstripes or flames (oh dear) to help make your interceptor go a little faster. Having that small or not so small detail that identifies this tempest as a believer in the one true emperor would not be a bad idea either. Or having a symbol or design modification to show this cynabal is not a bloodthirsty pirate, a but a defender of the Caldari state.

But I stand against the complete obliteration of having unique color schemes and designs, that destroy the uniqueness of said schemes or the ship itself.

I just want to make sure that as we head into a more customized ship design, we don't completely disregard the aesthetic of the rest of the game either. A word of caution against homogenization if you will.

There's my two cents.

What our graphics engine can do in terms of mixing and matching factions and ships is no secret. I'll refer you to this dev blog from last year. I'm pretty sure I see a Quafe Impairor in that picture at the bottom.

I'll quote myself from the dev blog thread about the technical reason that opening this up in the client as it stands today is potentially problematic:


Additionally, because some factions don't match some hulls, it's possible that combining those factions and hulls will result in tons of errors being dumped into your client logs, possibly repeatedly, and that can be a performance or disk space problem. Yeah, our graphics software engineers have heroically built a system that always produces SOMETHING that can be rendered, but that something may have technical or art problems that wouldn't pass QA, lore issues aside.

Edit: When the request came in for the Quafe Tristan for Fanfest, for example, we had the ship up on my screen in that configuration in a matter of minutes. However, it required QA and art attention because it was missing a Quafe decal in one location and had the wrong decal in another. Just because one can force something through the graphics engine and make pixels doesn't mean it's ready to go as a product. :)

I'll be honest, when Space Object Factory became a thing, we all had these types of moments at CCP, mixing and matching ships and looks. It's enormously fun.

The challenge is making something that makes sense in terms of the game. EVE is an MMO where people work a very long time to achieve what they do, and dramatic looks need to stay special and rare in that context.

The ideal is to find a way that retains that sense of fun and excitement from playing mix-and-match with ship looks while still keeping a sense that the most desirable ones are meaningful and rare to own, something to strive toward, and without disassociating our existing faction appearances from their lore connection.

Edit: Note that existing faction looks do have a lore connection in terms of to what ships they apply that we're not eager to throw away, but that doesn't mean that there can't be potential future SKINs that are not constrained by lore in any way.

Any hope of current skins being less restrictive in hull application even if confined racially or by other lore components? At current it seems like this system will either leave a lot of options out for a lot of hulls even within lore lines or just introduce a number of skins exponentially greater than the number of ships if not both.

I think it's pertinent to thank CCP Darwin and CCP Falcon for some timely and informative responses. I'm glad to hear that having a golden erebus isn't being written off entirely by CCP, and that there is at least a chance I'll get my golden erebus, that I can fly ereday, and erebody wanna take my bridge. (It's a golden bus! Truly glorius...)

No, it's not my opinion. It's the opinion of the devs involved, as told through numerous AARs and official accounts that have come out in the wake of the ambulation branch being put on hold.

Again, if you want to disagree with the people who actually needed that direction to do their job and who, pretty much universally, say that it didn't exist, then that's fine, but you need a more sane and sensible boogeyman in your narrative than the players because they had nothing to do with it. You can stomp your feet all you like over how you didn't stomp your feet, and how it was somehow the players' fault that CCP ****** up, but you keep forgetting that one of the core issues was that CCP was flying alone, blind (and again, without direction) at the time — player input was not a factor for the simple reason that there was no player input. The Incarna débàcle is what put player input on the agenda, and player input created one of the most wildly successful expansions this game has ever seen.

Exactly. We are no npc's. We are capsuleers in a sandbox where we create our own lore. Provi block likes to fly allot of gold or goons wanna fly yellow ships. Then why not give them the ability to do that. This bug [miracle] is the best thing that happened to eve for a long time. And you wanna take that away from us? I think you'll be disappointing almost every capsuleer in eve. Don't let this happen.

Don't let them take away my Wiyrkomi Hyperion! http://puu.sh/hyuij/c9cd99bb96.jpg