EVE General Discussion

At least I'm quoting numbers and at least somewhat educated guesses. You're just sticking to and repeating your "I still believe" theory and not offering any support or proof of it. We'll have to agree to disagree; I'm convinced that you're incorrect and I have some supporting numbers, you're convinced that you're right and you have some unwavering faith. Let's move on.

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Regarding the whole SKINs marketing, CCP, first you put out a universal product that everyone wants (universal skin system), and THEN you cash out big on the pretty colors: (elegant) pink + black, red + black, blue + black, yellow + black, white + black, silver + black, black + black, dark green + lime green, purple + yellow, sky-blue and silver, white + red, white + blue, etc.

You have 40,000 Goons just dying to get the yellow + black color combo for their fleets, you have white + red SOE exploration ships that prove the concept of white-and-red, you have the Quafe sky blue and silver skins that they even had that titan show up in the news wearing blue... the COLORS are where you can go "rare and valuable". You don't nit-pick the underlying "how to skin your ships" system.


I want some of these color combinations, but I want them for ALL my ships. I have the skills to fly a lot of ships; I want them to all be blue with a single skin, dammit. Or white+red. I want to pay my money, set the damn color like I set the user interface color, ONCE, and then go play the stupid game, mine, PVP, whatever. This game isn't about managing a shopping cart full of skins, FFS. Every time I log in, I have to load up the cart and figure out what ship goes with what skin, WTF is this?!?!


Also, **** "Guristas" "Sanshas" "Interbus" "Mordus" etc. colors. We never got into the lore THAT much, CCP, we don't care. Cut it out with the greys and the browns, this isn't Dungeons and Dragons Online. Give us red (255,0,0) and call it "red."

The SKIN's system will not be a true success until I can fly a PINK Panther.

A) Don't be too scared to call a feature a feature

B) Falcon went into a little better detail in this comment on Reddit. There are other replies there worth reading

C) I love Eve lore. Lore is a remarkably stupid excuse to restrict anything about this system (same with the alliance logos)

D) I understand the need for caution because SKINs are uncharted territory for the server. But, the excitement over this bug shows that more skin options are wanted by a large number of players. Don't drag ass too much

E) Also, people seem a bit more jazzed about the idea of using a single skin over multiple ships. Your wallets would probably benefit from that being made a thing.

That's your opinion, and I disagree. It's really that simple. You can keep rationalising your opinion is you want, but it's not something I will suddenly agree with.

Actually what I have is experience. I've been here a while and seen countless players doing the "I'm gonna quit, I SWEAR" and yet still being there years later. What you've got may e numbers, but it's primarily just guesswork, there's simply not enough data to be sure of even being in the right area. That said, I don;t disagree that the population has gone down. The way I see it is CCP caved to the loudest players and the population still went down, that hardly tells me that was the right choice to make.

I believe the idea is to make money, which isn't likely to happen if you only need to buy a couple of skins an all your ships are sorted for eternity.

http://i.imgur.com/Tc0CD31.jpg pirate blingmobile

BEHOLD! http://i.imgur.com/bU6nehJ.jpg Police Golem to protect and destroy, mostly destroy.
His worthy adversary, Gurista Golem! http://i.imgur.com/vHGTL4K.jpg

Citation needed

See? How f*cking badass is that?!

Again, agree to disagree. I too have a 2003 character WITH the Employment History bug where the list is blank, and have participated in the end-of-beta Armageddon FFA event. I have quit this game, for years, stopped subscription, and typically reactivate if the set of features they're announcing sounds good. What they announced last year in November sounded good; revamped stations, mooring, the hype they had for FozzieSov before Fozzie actually gave his details, the idea of a ship painting and logo system.

Yes the idea is to make money, but you have to have a desirable appealing product first. Microsoft made money with the first couple Windows versions, but don't tell me that the idiocy they pulled with Vista and Win8.0 attracted customers. Their crappy Win8 doesn't appeal to corporate users who just want a workstation so they can focus on their MS Office, AutoCAD, Maya, or what have you, and everyone is still buying Windows 7 because 8 sucks and 10 possibly will suck.

We can agree to disagree on this topic too, shrug. You say the aim is to make money, and I say they are NOT making (SKIN / Aurum) money from me with the current system. I may well be in the minority, and that's fine, I play EVE to pewpew and that'll work just fine with the default ships. It works just fine with the default avatar clothes, too (their outfit preview system doesn't let me assemble a whole outfit to preview if colors match, and they have mismatched crap like a top (dress) that goes to the knees, but forces me to wear pants because the (quite tasteful) pantyhose doesn't count as "bottoms" for the character customization UI).

I will buy universal skins, at PLEX prices, if the colors are nice, per character. I may like blue this month, white-red next month, fuchsia the month after that, it depends on how the colors look, pretty sure I will have more than one color. All they have to do is introduce new colors periodically. I had 41 cartel outfits in SWTOR, about 12 speeders, only 5 pet droids and ships; they kept introducing good-looking combos, and I kept making new alts.

Even more brilliant idea:

CCP releases a bunch of images of new colors they're going to release. We pre-pay PLEX for the guarantee that WHEN CCP releases the colors, we'll get a skin of that color. Obviously it's hard work to come up with new colors, and even harder work to ensure they pass QA and "fit within the gritty theme of the EVE universe" - it'll take months or even years to make sure the browns and greys are just the perfect shade before they can be released.

But in any case, they can release their plans now and we'll prepay become "backers" and at the same time help fund the development process. "Team Space Matters" Industries, EVE Citizen backer program.

Here's an idea:

Make the non-lore skins bought on the NES store, and make the lore skins (like Sukuuvestaa, Kalaakiota, Sebiestor ect), bought through the LP stores of the factions they belong to, but instead of charging isk, you can charge LP and AUR.