Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well I am in agreement with Rivr here, it is not a 'good fight' if all of the uncertainty of the outcome is removed beforehand.

If some people "need" 2 falcons and three trollgorns to beat one ship there is no tactic, not even a little bit of intelligence or competence involved - it is just another yolo-swaggh-green tainted thingy on a website you can show your middleschool buddies the next day.

Let me say this once more, there are three kinds of pvpers in EVE - the blobb, because yolo, the green website fanatics and rare competent ones you can have good fights with.
It doesn't really matter if you loose a boat if you had a good fight, it seems like crazytalk but you might even end up talking to the guy / girl or you get convo'd later and asked about fits or tactics.

So ask yourself, what kind of pvper you are to yourself and let me ask you, is it really a good fight if you jump into a 25-man gatecamp where you have no chance of getting out of a 'good fight'?

I do not, so screw them.

Your ships have a crew. They need time to GTFO the ship before it blows up.

Y'all need to look at Arthur's KB to understand where he is coming from, this isn't about good fights, I am sorry I mentioned it.

You cannot self destruct a ship that has already been blown up so this statement is irrelevant.

This is EVE, not the Alliance Tournament or New Eden Open. Keep in mind, what Hilmar made the crowd shout during the 2014 Fanfest: "Destroy, destroy, destroy!" Like some savages.

Yes.

This is a PvP sandbox game with a set of rules. As long as you play but those rules any time you defeat your opponent it is fair and therefore sporting. This is just a game we all play for fun, so I always congratulate my opponent when they get the better of me, and expect someone I defeated to do the same. You know, sportsmanship.

Do you also get upset when your opponent's bishops and rooks gang up on, and take your queen when you play chess? Or when your opponents make a trade in Monopoly giving each of them set of key properties that end up bankrupting you? These are legal moves in a game just like the various forms of ship PvP that occurs in Eve. Some of these encounters are going to be more balanced than others, but all of them are legal and if my opponents bring more ships or catches me not paying attention then I say fair play by them and give the a 'gf'.

Eve is a much more enjoyable game if you let your angst over losing space pixels go. It is much more healthy for your mental state to wish your opponent well and learn from your loss than to throw a tantrum like a small child and go on about how it isn't fair that you got ganked, or how your opponents are evil sociopaths or whatever. Eve is designed to be like this, and if you can't accept that you might be playing the wrong game.

Losing your stuff and having it go to the victor is a core concept of Eve implemented by the original designers. It is part of what makes the sandbox meaningful and what imparts consequences to the universe. Removing that so that angry people who just lost a ship can somehow feel better about that loss doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

I never said anyone was afraid of losing a ship, but a lot of people here seem to get quite mad when that happens. This whole proposal is based on someone feeling butthurt that they lost a PvP encounter and wanting a spiteful way to get back at their victorious opponent.

If someone decides to bring the appropriate counters or enough ships to win a particular encounter then they have beaten you fair and square. Yes you can pout that you were blobbed, or ganked, or whatever excuse helps you deal with the fact you just lost, but they beat you within the rules of the game. Don't hate the players, hate the game. Better yet, don't hate at all and learn from loss and do better next time.

There is no shame in losing to a superior force or even to a superior Eve player. There is no need to cry about it, or get mad and try to deny your opponent the spoils of a well-deserved kill. Just give them a 'gf' and move on.


Sounds like they went to the trouble to set up a trap which you walk right into. This is very much a fight - they set up an ambush and waited for some prey to wander into the trap. The smart players who see the trap and avoid it win, the clueless ones that stumble into it loose. If you aren't paying attention and get yourself caught in the trap, you should congratulate them on their clever, or at least effective play, and wish them a good day and thank them for reminding you that scouting is important.

Sure, no one likes to lose a ship but there is no excuse for poor sportsmanship after being outplayed by another player. Even if you don't feel it, giving that 'gf' is important as it is just like the handshakes professional sport teams give to one another after a hard-fought match. It is a important show of respect to your fellow players and part of being a good Eve citizen.

Not? As stated before, there are rare occasions when I deem a GF in order. Fortunately enough for me, though, these occasions are so rare these days that I do not need to condescend to this (politically motivated aversions and general -10ing are bliss). Moreover, you can be a fair sportsman to anybody as much as you like and donate your entire ship to them if you wish so. However, this is my sandbox and I play my sandbox in your sandbox as I please. EVE is not a sport. the AT and NEO are sport, the rest of TQ is a resemblance of Detroid's rougher blocks or Chicago of the 1930s. If I so desire to scorch my earth, I will scorch my earth. If I so desire to not wish you a pleasant day, thank you for your effort, show you no respect by ignoring you, I will not do so. Who in their right mind does this anyways? If I die, I'm podded back home before I can type GF, the fight still rages on and no one cares about GFs in local or I've left system already. If this aggravates you and you feel unrespected, unloved, perfect, I had my little revenge for the ship loss.

Furthermore, who considers EVE "just a game" and ships and objects in EVE "just pixels", will never receive any GF from me. EVE is a hobby and not a mere game like COD, BF or Minecraft. You invest a lot of RL time and money into the EVE environment to achieve things. There is real work, real effort and real sweat involved, which makes EVE a whole lot more than just a mere game.

Can I have a keyboard shortcut for self destruct, please?