Wormholes

I'd hope the pressure we can put on by developing (recapturing?) a Wspace wide culture could improve that. The truly risk averse might never change but it should be common knowledge that wspace is for small gang PvP and gudfites. Not for bearing and POSing up when hostiles come knocking.

Even the big corps give you a chance to get kills from them before they become aware of you. You just only get one bite at the cherry before they voltron more guardians than you have pilots and their scouts find your home hole. We do it all the time.

Mass changes would give a tool back to small groups though. It was widely discussed at the time.

6+ vindis, with few bhaalgorns, guardians, nidhoggurs and naglfars on standby along with dscan bot is one of scariest fleet comps (tactics) you can deploy in your home system casually, and if you know how to use it..

I was a director of a large C4 corp. We started with 8 dudes and when I left we had 30 online in primetime who liked to pvp. They still have 160 or so characters so they would make them a decent addition to high class w-space. Despite that everyone in leadership agreed we would never go to a C5/C6.

The first and biggest reason was the increased risk for no additional rewards. Evicting someone from a high class wormhole is much easier because dreads **** all over pos. Many of our members had experienced evictions before. Some were in hardcore farm groups, some were in farm groups that fought back when their towers got reinforced, some were in groups that went out looking for fights before the hammer was brought down. If they fought back the attacker would simply batphone more people. We weren't delusional enough to believe that simply pvping would protect us from eviction so living in a C5 would be a bigger risk.

On the reward side there is capital escalations and being able to use caps offensively. We had no interest in cap escalations. It brings out the worst farmers and it would mean closing the hole so 6 dudes can make megabucks while the rest of the corp stands there like mall cops. Simply being able to use caps in pvp was not a big enough draw when they could also be used against us by bigger groups.

The second major obstacle was the cost of moving. Moving 15 large pos would have taken somewhere around 150 man hours, about 40 hours per director of wrestling with pos code. That is on top of the hassle of moving people's assets. **** that. It's not worth my time.

Third reason was the horribly static meta of armor t3s all day every day and the e-bushido that comes along with it. The best fights we got were ganks gone wrong. The victim, either us or them, escalated until it was a big fight with people dying and reshipping. Successful ganks were cool too. The semi organized fights with both sides sitting in t3s with 30% logi support on opposite sides of a wormhole were the least amount of fun. Some were cool but mostly it involved staring at each other for half an hour because neither side wanted risk a 20b fleet if they weren't sure of at least a few killmails. In addition we didn't want politics and "NO PODDING" e-bushido special rules. These fleets are the norm in C5/C6 space. We didn't want to be forced to do them or get a reputation of not giving fights or being dishonorable.

What would potentially have made our corp go to a C5?

- Make it safer for active medium and small groups. Currently it's easier to harass and evict a small corp of people's mains than it is to evict a farming alt corp belonging to a big group. I would hate to advertise Fozziesov but there should be a mechanism that helps smaller groups that leave the pos shields on a regular basis. People need to be able to defend against the blob, otherwise they simply join it.

-Fix pos code and wormhole living space. Fortunately this is on the horizon. If there is less effort required in moving you might see more upward mobility and fresh corps in C5/C6 space.

-Stimulate people to leave their home hole for pve. The best fights I had were the result of incomplete intel coming from a scout a few holes down the chain. We would spot hostiles and not have eyes in their home hole. If we wanted to kill them we had to do it as soon as possible, but at the risk of biting off more than we could chew. This leads to more chaotic situations and killmails for both sides.

P.S. G0hme, you asked several questions earlier and I'm not entirely sure anyone answered you but I’d like to respond to one of them in particular…………..

Q: Do you want Wspace to matter to the game? Who out there doesn't enjoy piloting their preferred T3? Sorry, but I couldn't have set that one up better myself. Jumping Jack Flash is a Gas Gas Gas : )

There’s something else though that people of New Eden should consider……how do you imagine known space is to connect to Jove space??? W-Space is the obvious choice isn't it, the link between the known universe and Jove Space right??? Food for thought : )

150k ehp to 300k each vindicator. 2000 + dps....

A lot of Phoenxes and painters will be needed to break that.