Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Not many, but turning highsec into lowsec is not going to solve that anyway. It's just an attempt to kill incursions and get some kills because people don't know it's an incursion today on the other side of the gate.

Lowsec/Nullsec incursions need other solutions, like oh, larger fleet size.
Though it doesn't solve the issue that you still know exactly how large an incursion fleet is so can always outblob them, since you don't care about payout and they do.

exactly.. we don't need another lowsec incursion.

As much as I do want plex prices to fall... you never read the thing that it says when going into an incursion zone did you?
concord is holding the line per se, the capsuleers are supposed to roll sanshas back

-dunks the LP ball-
Still working on selling the last 100m LP from when I could box like a bandit.
Which definitely is enough to manipulate the markets.
Lower LP costs are good IMO, because then more people can afford the fun blingy bits.

The Sansha control of the system is not direct military control - the reason Sansha Kuvakei lagged the heck out of Yulai before heading out to... (I should be able to remember the system name; but I can't ) was to hack the heck out of CONCORD, he doesn't jump in a mothership because he has effective military control, he jumps it in because he can bypass the CONCORD cyno-jammers and so forth.

I find this very interesting. Both sides of this debate are focusing on the ganking affect this "might" have on incursion runners and totally ignoring the simple fact that this idea would leave all non-incursion pillots at greater risk of being ganked by orders of magnitude. So while I agree that this could be viewed as a possible buff to ganking it is not the incursion runners that would face the majority of that increased risk.

-1 to a lousy idea.
Just like the calls to return to the rat AI of old this is a request to remove some of the restrictions CCP has seen fit to place on ganking, and like that return to the rat AI of old they try to hide it in some crazy scheme of how it fits with some lore or even worse they try to justify it based on how things would happen in real life.

Suggest going back and reading the incursion info more carefully, as noted earlier the Concord have the Sanaha's forces at a stalemate, neither side has the military power to overtake the other. In an effort to retake TOTAL control of the affected area Concord calls capsuleers to the front lines to break that stalemate.

I don't think hold the line means what you think it does.

Holding the line means CONCORD (and Empires by association) have given up control of a particular area and have relocated their forces to containing it. Capsuleers are boots on the ground, CONCORD is "running gate camps" on access systems outside the zone of conflict to ensure Sansha can not encroach any further into HS.

I wasn't clear on how your proposal would affect CONCORD. Is CONCORD effectively disabled during incursions, or does CONCORD's response time vary depending on Sansha control? ie: 100% control = no CONCORD, 50% control = 50% increased CONCORD response time. Thanks.

There was a couple mentions I saw in this thread about how low security incursion groups are not willing to "risk" billions of isk. I can say now, how horribly wrong you are. Shadow Cartel runs incursions all the time in rattlesnakes and nightmares. We also understand there is a potential for us to encounter PVP while doing the incursion at the same. In fact this happens all the time. We properly plan and prepare for this.

As for the high security incursion groups, the risk associated to running these incursions is nearly zero. Which is easily reflected by your bling fits and carelessness when you guys FC. You have become over saturated from your easy isk making sources and fear losing it. If you are going to trash a thread at least be constructive while doing it.

I support this idea. I also have read through a lot of the people's complaints about how this would effect the market and how current high security incursions are ran. Of course the markets will be effected. You will find prices will drop and increase in other areas, which is completely normal. The other complaint I saw throughout the thread was how high security incursion groups will have to adapt and change their tactics on how to run the incursion (assuming the changes go though). Alternatively completely stop running incursion. I for one do not see the problem with this at all. Welcome to eve my good friend, adapt or get out. I will however note on OP's thread some of the suggestions possibly need to be tweaked and worked on. Just to to adhere to all groups involved.

Not having a dog in this fight, it seems like a reasonable proposal (especially if wrestling control from Sansha gradually returns the system to 0.5 or higher).