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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2015-04-28 14:01:18 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Leannor wrote:
Seems to be a desire to make skins a consumable (much like ammo, that you use up and need replacing) to create a continous market.

Personally, I have no idea why anyone would want to have that hassle. But hey, guess there's enough people out there that want to pimp their ship every month.

You understand that permanent skins exist as well?


WoT managed to sell non-permanent paintjobs for their tank when permanent ones exist. There is always a sucker to buy something consumable even if permanent exist.
Solecist Project
#22 - 2015-04-28 14:01:33 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
I hope it's more than a neat idea, and more like a valid idea. The move to make dropped SKINs time-limited is the result of a dev or devs taking a close look at the game, and I'm hoping clothing will get similar treatment when it gets its time under the microscope. If it doesn't matter to anyone (and it shouldn't), clothing should have a sink just like other items in the FW stores. True, you can destroy clothing by getting caught with it in cargo, but depending on that to stabilize the conversion is bad. It's also the current state of things.

Time limited clothing .........................
Ohhhhh that would be awesome! :D

I would only wear one of these.
Once.
Then never again anything at all!

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2015-04-28 14:02:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Daerrol
If you paid a lot of money for those skinned ships then you were a sucker. You can get Pirate skins for about ~1m before the patch went live. We farmed the hell out of serpentis skins when I lived in Syndicate. I assume groups in other areas of the game are farming their anoms just as hard.

Edit: You guys know Pirate Skins are NOT purchased with AUR right?
Magnus Roden
Center for the Advancement of Human Endeavour
#24 - 2015-04-28 14:07:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Magnus Roden
Bachari Tanner wrote:
Magnus Roden wrote:
Bachari Tanner wrote:
how come everyone went so mad over ccp with micro transactions before but now this is in everyones like 'yep, give skins, take money'.


The problem we had with it was CCP not openly stating to not go for pay2win, and how the system they had gave you an actual ship, completely circumventing the ingame player driven market and production process.

We're fine with Micro transactions for vanity stuff, that was never any different.
i thought they only ever had the ideas for vanity stuff, but manacles were expensive, so riots ensued. now that it's just $1500 for all the initially release skins everyones like 'all fine'. seems they got what they wanted in the end just they went the long way round to get here.


When Incarna(ge) happened there were rumours about P2W, we openly asked CCP about this and they remained quiet. We asked again, they remained quiet. We threadnaughted, they remained quiet. It took a whole lot of "are you a glutton for punishment or something?" from the CSM and rioting from us before CCP finally decided that it would be a good idea to openly state to NOT going for P2W.

The $1000 jeans were just icing on the cake.

Excellence is the gradual result of always striving to do better.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#25 - 2015-04-28 14:11:21 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Nam Dnilb wrote:
Is there a reason why we can't have both?


I've seen this question asked many times in several places, and if there has been a response to it I am unaware of it.


Given the choice between permanent or time-limited skins, which would you choose? Permanent obviously. So what would the point be of time-limited ones? They would never be used and thus worthless. So there will never be both a permanent and time-limited version of the same skin.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Bachari Tanner
Doomheim
#26 - 2015-04-28 14:18:57 UTC
Magnus Roden wrote:
Bachari Tanner wrote:
Magnus Roden wrote:
Bachari Tanner wrote:
how come everyone went so mad over ccp with micro transactions before but now this is in everyones like 'yep, give skins, take money'.


The problem we had with it was CCP not openly stating to not go for pay2win, and how the system they had gave you an actual ship, completely circumventing the ingame player driven market and production process.

We're fine with Micro transactions for vanity stuff, that was never any different.
i thought they only ever had the ideas for vanity stuff, but manacles were expensive, so riots ensued. now that it's just $1500 for all the initially release skins everyones like 'all fine'. seems they got what they wanted in the end just they went the long way round to get here.


When Incarna(ge) happened there were rumours about P2W, we openly asked CCP about this and they remained quiet. We asked again, they remained quiet. We threadnaughted, they remained quiet. It took a whole lot of "are you a glutton for punishment or something?" from the CSM and rioting from us before CCP finally decided that it would be a good idea to openly state to NOT going for P2W.

The $1000 jeans were just icing on the cake.
so now they just pigoen step towards the same and its ok. got it. small steps ccp and you can have anything you want!
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2015-04-28 14:21:55 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Leannor wrote:
Seems to be a desire to make skins a consumable (much like ammo, that you use up and need replacing) to create a continous market.

Personally, I have no idea why anyone would want to have that hassle. But hey, guess there's enough people out there that want to pimp their ship every month.

You understand that permanent skins exist as well?


Not for pirate skins.
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2015-04-28 14:22:37 UTC
Daerrol wrote:
IEdit: You guys know Pirate Skins are NOT purchased with AUR right?


Does seem like some people are missing all the differences between the permanent and non-permanent skins.

Magnus Roden
Center for the Advancement of Human Endeavour
#29 - 2015-04-28 14:25:06 UTC
Bachari Tanner wrote:
Magnus Roden wrote:
Bachari Tanner wrote:
Magnus Roden wrote:
Bachari Tanner wrote:
how come everyone went so mad over ccp with micro transactions before but now this is in everyones like 'yep, give skins, take money'.


The problem we had with it was CCP not openly stating to not go for pay2win, and how the system they had gave you an actual ship, completely circumventing the ingame player driven market and production process.

We're fine with Micro transactions for vanity stuff, that was never any different.
i thought they only ever had the ideas for vanity stuff, but manacles were expensive, so riots ensued. now that it's just $1500 for all the initially release skins everyones like 'all fine'. seems they got what they wanted in the end just they went the long way round to get here.


When Incarna(ge) happened there were rumours about P2W, we openly asked CCP about this and they remained quiet. We asked again, they remained quiet. We threadnaughted, they remained quiet. It took a whole lot of "are you a glutton for punishment or something?" from the CSM and rioting from us before CCP finally decided that it would be a good idea to openly state to NOT going for P2W.

The $1000 jeans were just icing on the cake.
so now they just pigoen step towards the same and its ok. got it. small steps ccp and you can have anything you want!


Yes. Introducing more vanity items, ones which we've been asking for for years (if not a decade), clearly is an obvious indication that they're going to do P2W.

Excellence is the gradual result of always striving to do better.
Wendrika Hydreiga
#30 - 2015-04-28 14:44:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Wendrika Hydreiga
The Guristas Edition ships, both the Comorant and the Ferox, were seldomly used because these ships are not as popular as the other MVPs of Caldari ships. As consequence, the ships were cheap and not soughtly after other than as novelty collectors items. Also, using them in doctrine fleets would ultimately lead to their owners being singled out of the crowd because a Guristas ship would make for a prettier killmail.

Of course CCP thought it would be a good idea to put an expiratiom date on these already awkward skins to increase their value and usage. Now, I am not an expert in markets, but making an item that's seldomly used as it, perishable after use, will only make people not bother with it. Now these skins can join all the other Exploration related junk and BPCs that ruin every explorers day.

Guess I'll just buy two skins and keep them in my Guristas Collection unused. A pity...

Oh, also, if you use these SKINs it doesn't matter if you don't have the SKIN applied, the clock will still be ticking.
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2015-04-28 14:45:57 UTC
$30 freaking Merlin.... lmao

Only thing i can think of is that in 2010 EvE was different.
In the years since tons more WoW refugees flooded in.
These new-newbros are not the same community that raged in 2010.

If you try to sell $1000 jeans, get laughed and raged at, yet spend the next 5years recruiting WoW refugees into your game then sell $30 Merlins to them, i guess ccp wins
X Kent
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#32 - 2015-04-28 14:59:26 UTC
Hi ppl.

I kinda missed the whole skin feature. I mean, I knew there were some ways to make your ship have a different color but I didn't care (I had a "take a look at skins" in my todo tho).

So how does it work now ?
ALL skins are 30-day limited thingy or there are some that are permanent ? What are the prices more or less ?

Still at work so can't see ingame :-(
Wendrika Hydreiga
#33 - 2015-04-28 15:04:31 UTC
X Kent wrote:
Hi ppl.

I kinda missed the whole skin feature. I mean, I knew there were some ways to make your ship have a different color but I didn't care (I had a "take a look at skins" in my todo tho).

So how does it work now ?
ALL skins are 30-day limited thingy or there are some that are permanent ? What are the prices more or less ?

Still at work so can't see ingame :-(


Only Pirate SKINs (Guristas, Serpentis, Bloodraiders, Angels, etc.) obtained as drops are time-limited. The others are 100% finger licking permanent.
M1k3y Koontz
Speaker for the Dead
Shadow Cartel
#34 - 2015-04-28 15:22:19 UTC
The pirate faction ones are being phased out. The rest are permanent.

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Steijn
Quay Industries
#35 - 2015-04-28 15:27:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Steijn
Personally, I think the 30d skins should be "permanent", but destroyable.

So collectors get there nice shiny ship to spin in, and the drops are still a viable option as some will get flown and destroyed.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#36 - 2015-04-28 15:29:38 UTC
If you have massive amount of timed ship skins, inject all and they will become nearly like permanent on license, 30 days x 12 = one year license!

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2015-04-29 03:49:06 UTC
Steijn wrote:
Personally, I think the 30d skins should be "permanent", but destroyable.

So collectors get there nice shiny ship to spin in, and the drops are still a viable option as some will get flown and destroyed.

Agreed. Those ones worked just fine. Hell you could even do both, either with two different drops, or with an option when you inject it.. "This is a limited Skin, do you want it to be: 30 Days Unlimited Use; Permanent but lost upon destruction".. Maybe with the added feature that the with the destructible one, you CAN'T change from it in space (To avoid sneaking out before destruction..)
Jenshae Chiroptera
#38 - 2015-04-29 03:56:11 UTC
Bachari Tanner wrote:
how come everyone went so mad over ccp with micro transactions before but now this is in everyones like 'yep, give skins, take money'.
The entry level is lower and the player base is changing. Blink

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2015-04-29 04:19:46 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Bachari Tanner wrote:
how come everyone went so mad over ccp with micro transactions before but now this is in everyones like 'yep, give skins, take money'.
The entry level is lower and the player base is changing. Blink

Naw, we just understand what the actual problems were and having cosmetic MT's wasn't the issue. $1000 jeans was only a thing on the back of Greed is good, 18 months, incarna without choices or gameplay and the refusal to commit to no P2win
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#40 - 2015-04-29 04:50:13 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
If you have massive amount of timed ship skins, inject all and they will become nearly like permanent on license, 30 days x 12 = one year license!


Good thinking. Smile

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