EVE New Citizens Q&A

had a corp mate that would fly one of those around and get into all sorts of trouble. Will forever respect the ishkur!

which is why we put our nubs in them and fire them at stupidly hard to kill things

It's also skill intensive to get top performance out of so when you get in one your Going to be immediately aware of what state your support skills are in.

Yeah I wouldn't get into an Ishkur until I have finished all my drone support skills and have all my fitting skills at V. I'm throwing around the idea of not flying one until I have my skills to mastery III at least.

I just like how the Tristan flies; balls to the walls in your face with drones. And the Tristan works okay for that, but the Ishkur I think would be better given it appears to have a better tank.

All great ideas so far but there is a potential confusion with the bonuses of both hulls so here they are Tristan vs Ishkur.
When comparing the drones bonuses only the Tristan actually has a small edge since it gets the same drone hit point boost but adds the tracking bonus as well.

Tristan
Per level
7.5% small hybrid turret tracking
10% to drone hit points and tracking


Ishkur
Per level
5% to small hybrid turret damage
10% drone hit points

Assault frig per level
10% to small hybrid turret optimal range
5 m3 to drones bay space

Role bonus
50% reduction to MWD sig radius penalty

I guess you meant more low slots and yes that can help tank, if it's armor and depending on the fit (you also get 1 less rig slot though).

But the main reasons AFs are much beefier are 1) much higher native resists as all T2 ships (though they almost always have a big hole vs. 1 dmg type) and 2) higher native shield/armor/structure hit points.

You're right. Duh, sorry about that.

That depends entirely on how much ISK you have and how much you make. However, IMO it is more difficult to get a "good" fight in an Ishkur in FW than say a Tristan or Comet. Remember, the more expensive your ship the more people will bring to kill it. You want people to underestimate you, not overestimate. That way they will be more willing to engage you solo and less likely to blob you.

Small rails are usually used to scram kite.

Scram kiting means trying to stay at the edge of scram range (9 km). Usually you try to stay about 7-8 km from your opponent, while holding him down with a scram. Effective against short-range weapons (blasters or autocannons) since at that range they can't hit you.

However, due to poor rail tracking, to apply more damage it's best not to orbit, but try to keep range instead, minimizing angular velocity.

To successfully scram kite you usually need an afterburner, a web and a scram, and preferably a fast ship. That way you can be faster than your opponent, allowing you to maintain the 7-8 km range and minimize angular velocity. Otherwise, he will be able to either close range and hit you or pull range and escape from your scram.

Rails can also be used to kite at point range (around 24 km), but at the moment lasers (both pulse and beam) do better damage than rails at that range.

Another advantage of rails is that you can usually hit someone who is kiting you (at 24 km).

Finally, rails benefit from ships with tracking bonuses (such as the comet) - the ishkur doesn't have them.


Blasters are effective at short range, obviously. Tracking is great, damage is higher than rails, only issue is you have to be within a few km (though the Ishkur's optimal range bonus can help in hitting farther off, especialy if you use null ammo).


I have limited experience PVP-ing in ishkurs, but personally I'd fit them with blasters and try to avoid ships that can easily kite me (though my drones would still hit). Blasters also require less CPU, which is kinda tight on the ishkur (as on most AFs).


TL;DR blasters are fine imho, actually I'd personally have some doubts on fitting rails on an Ishkur

Honestly the tristan does rail fits better than the ishkur does. I used to fly a rail ishkur quite a bit until I realized that its too slow for the fit. This isn't to say it can't be done, but it won't be able to kite against most frigates. Instead fit it with ions and try to use your mid slots to control range instead of the ship's base speed.

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Just the meta showing, you have enough room for a flight of goblins and warriors which means you can project a portion of dps out quite far.

When something kites you , set the warriors on them and they're likely going to be forced off (iv fought off a garmurs like this)
they are also the drones you want for killing other drones,

so empress forbid you find yourself ontop of something like a myrm ,
you set those bad boys to work killing his drones asap
switch to Fed navy antimatter primary them one at a time and pray he doesn't notice quickly enough .
yes there's many more drones but a blaster ishkur is fully capable of killing them as quickly as they're launched at you.

Then when you have eaten them all and want full dps, switch to void and hobs melt face and laugh maniacally.

here's a fit For you,

[Ishkur, Ralph King-Griffin's Ishkur]
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Small Armor Repairer II

1MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II
Small Capacitor Booster II,Navy Cap Booster 150

Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Light Neutron Blaster II,Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II,Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II,Void S

Small Ancillary Current Router II
Small Anti-Explosive Pump II


Warrior II
Hobgoblin II