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SKINs, PLEX, and AUR: Removing PLEX to AUR conversion function
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2015-04-25 15:27:31 UTC
So PLEX prices. Poking through the 800s just about. Once SKINs become consumable, I see PLEX jumping even more. Any plans to remove the PLEX -> AUR conversion altogether? That would be a truer treatment of AUR as a irl money microtransaction vehicle, dontcha think?

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Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2015-04-25 15:44:15 UTC
maybe, but it also removes the ability to make some stranger else spend the money for you without realizing it.
FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#3 - 2015-04-26 08:10:35 UTC
I believe this is what they planned to do all the time, but they have said they dont really care what a plex costs. As long as that cost is sustainable.

Ie as long as we dont get a Sub-Prime Plex bubble they can go and cost 3 billion no worries...
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#4 - 2015-04-26 09:12:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
PLEX again need to rise to 1B/unit, by whatever means necessary.

Instead of removing the conversion, CCP should advertise their direct AUR pay better. And/or players and CCP should make other players aware of the better AUR/ISK conversion rate of AUR tokens. Roll

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Haatakan Reppola
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-04-26 11:31:32 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
PLEX again need to rise to 1B/unit


PLEX prices need to drop, sadly some activities make to much isk for that to happen.
Try mining for PLEX and tell me they need to cost 1b or more, then go do incursions and wonder why plex dont cost 2-3b already :P
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#6 - 2015-04-26 11:51:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
I couldn't care less if mining, missioning, anom hunting, PVP or whatever doesn't support a PLEX. The prices need to increase. I want to see people whine, moan, complain, cry, rage and grab pitchforks and torches again. Twisted

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#7 - 2015-04-27 13:33:02 UTC
Why exactly would SKINs be suddenly made consumable, so that you have to re-buy them after each ship loss?
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#8 - 2015-04-27 14:11:12 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
So PLEX prices. Poking through the 800s just about. Once SKINs become consumable, I see PLEX jumping even more. Any plans to remove the PLEX -> AUR conversion altogether? That would be a truer treatment of AUR as a irl money microtransaction vehicle, dontcha think?


Skins become consumable? I thought that was only for the 30-day pirate versions, which are drops. Am I missing something?

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-04-27 16:55:33 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
So PLEX prices. Poking through the 800s just about. Once SKINs become consumable, I see PLEX jumping even more. Any plans to remove the PLEX -> AUR conversion altogether? That would be a truer treatment of AUR as a irl money microtransaction vehicle, dontcha think?


Skins become consumable? I thought that was only for the 30-day pirate versions, which are drops. Am I missing something?

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Mario Putzo
#10 - 2015-04-27 17:01:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Haatakan Reppola wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
PLEX again need to rise to 1B/unit


PLEX prices need to drop, sadly some activities make to much isk for that to happen.
Try mining for PLEX and tell me they need to cost 1b or more, then go do incursions and wonder why plex dont cost 2-3b already :P


PLEX prices won't drop based on anything CCP does really(short of seeding the market with cheaper PLEX which is probably 100% unlikely). PLEX is 100% a player driven commodity, and PLEX costs rise based 100% on supply and demand.

Here is why PLEX prices are continuing to rise.

SECRET INFORMATION TIME
Less people are seeding PLEX to the market.
Mario Putzo
#11 - 2015-04-27 17:18:17 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
So PLEX prices. Poking through the 800s just about. Once SKINs become consumable, I see PLEX jumping even more. Any plans to remove the PLEX -> AUR conversion altogether? That would be a truer treatment of AUR as a irl money microtransaction vehicle, dontcha think?


Player A buys PLEX with RL Cash > Sells to Player B on Market for ISK > Player B uses PLEX to get AUR.

CCP still gets their $$$ For AUR. So im not exactly sure what the issue is. I mean I know the "issue" is PLEX pricing...if you don't like PLEX cost just pay the sub...its less than 1$ a day, even a part time minimum wage job in pretty much every country on the planet can afford you the cost of a subscription.

Contrary to popular belief PLEXing and account is not "Playing for Free" so suck it up buttercup.
d0cTeR9
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-04-27 19:11:08 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
So PLEX prices. Poking through the 800s just about. Once SKINs become consumable, I see PLEX jumping even more. Any plans to remove the PLEX -> AUR conversion altogether? That would be a truer treatment of AUR as a irl money microtransaction vehicle, dontcha think?


Player A buys PLEX with RL Cash > Sells to Player B on Market for ISK > Player B uses PLEX to get AUR.

CCP still gets their $$$ For AUR. So im not exactly sure what the issue is. I mean I know the "issue" is PLEX pricing...if you don't like PLEX cost just pay the sub...its less than 1$ a day, even a part time minimum wage job in pretty much every country on the planet can afford you the cost of a subscription.

Contrary to popular belief PLEXing and account is not "Playing for Free" so suck it up buttercup.


I would correct that to 'first world country'.

Plenty of places on earth where there's no such thing as minimum wages (or that the norm is not to enforce it).

Been around since the beginning.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#13 - 2015-04-27 19:57:47 UTC
Plex prices are actually mainly linked to market speculators according to CCP, which most Plex passing through several peoples hands before actually landing in an end users hands.
Market speculators tend to accumulate isk, thus will inflate individual products such as plex so they can 'make a profit'
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#14 - 2015-04-27 20:15:46 UTC
TL;DR (all the replies)

What they could do, change plex to just be for game time, thats it. Make it so you no longer buy plex for real money, but you only buy Aurum. You use Aurum to buy the plex and sell it. You can also sell Aurum token on the market.

You make a new thing, like a special event pass or some crap, that you buy for Aurum. You use this special pass for things like 'plex for good, AT, FF tickets etc.' This would drive down the prive of plex and it would just be used for game time. This would then make Aurum and actually monetary system, where you can sell the tokens and use them to buy stuff that you cna then resell for more or less.

But won;t happen

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Joanna RB
JoJo Industries n Shipbreakers
#15 - 2015-04-27 20:19:29 UTC
d0cTeR9 wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
So PLEX prices. Poking through the 800s just about. Once SKINs become consumable, I see PLEX jumping even more. Any plans to remove the PLEX -> AUR conversion altogether? That would be a truer treatment of AUR as a irl money microtransaction vehicle, dontcha think?


Player A buys PLEX with RL Cash > Sells to Player B on Market for ISK > Player B uses PLEX to get AUR.

CCP still gets their $$$ For AUR. So im not exactly sure what the issue is. I mean I know the "issue" is PLEX pricing...if you don't like PLEX cost just pay the sub...its less than 1$ a day, even a part time minimum wage job in pretty much every country on the planet can afford you the cost of a subscription.

Contrary to popular belief PLEXing and account is not "Playing for Free" so suck it up buttercup.


I would correct that to 'first world country'.

Plenty of places on earth where there's no such thing as minimum wages (or that the norm is not to enforce it).


Over here (England) we get a lot of Polish workers in our factories, because apparently if you train as a doctor or lawyer over there, the income is still less than a minimum wage factory job in the UK.

Which means, the income in normal jobs over there must be extremely low.....

And Poland is relatively rich compared to some African and South American countries....
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2015-04-29 09:07:23 UTC
I was disappointed to see AUR packs take a hit on Tuesday, and was wondering if making a multiple-PLEX redeeming bonus for AUR would free up the $100 AUR pack to have more of a bonus beyond $50 x 2

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