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Need suggestions for L4 mission ship - missiles/projectiles/lasers/dro

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#41 - 2015-04-16 11:46:58 UTC
Pvp is not only a small part of Eve. It is core mechanics that dictates how everything else works. The fact that you are not shooting other players doesn't mean you are not participating in pvp. You explore, collect loot, sell it and voila: market pvp because somebody tanked whole market down while you were in deep ends of universe hacking those damn cans. You mine, reprocess into minerals and get hefty payout because some null egos just exploded gazzillions of titans and they buying hubs out. You delivered that dude's stuff safely into hisec getting away with it, could be somebody else profiting from it either by exploding you or by taking that dude's offer before you did.

Pvp is everywhere and you are part of it whether you want it or not. Small part of it is ship to ship combat although some would probably disagree :)

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Yolli Sly
State War Academy
Caldari State
#42 - 2015-04-16 12:39:41 UTC
First, sorry for my English, it is not my native language.

Please, don’t get me wrong when you read this post, it is not about haw great pilot I am, but how nice and friendly ship Gila is.

Here my current Gila fit:

[Gila, mission - optimize vs Gurista]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Internal Force Field Array I

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II

Drone Link Augmentator I
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Caldari Navy Vespa x2
Caldari Navy Vespa x2
Federation Navy Hammerhead x2
Federation Navy Hammerhead x2
Salvage Drone x4

Scourge Fury Light Missile x500
Scourge Auto-Targeting Light Missile x500

MTU x1

With Skills “All lvl 4” + Zainou “Gipsy” EE 603 in slot 6:
Drone DPS: 500 (~400 applied) on evereting;
Missile Dps: 129 with reloads (~100 applied);
Shield Defense: 279 dps (vs Gurista);
Shield Size: 12 200;
EHP: 73 000;
Signature: 220m;
Speed: ~600 m/s (~520 if orbiting at 5km);
Align/Warp time 9,8/10 sec.
Price: ~ 700 mil.

This is tested, unstoppable, full passive lvl 4 mission fit as soon as you get Shields and Drone Support Skills up to 4. Just keep orbiting and you can handle 10-15 (20 if Gurista or Sansha) Battleships shooting on you, with shields drops not below ~ 70%.
This fit is designed to scrooge pilots like me! It is excellent for full bounty/loot/ salvage. Just in time when you kill last battleship last but one whreck is near your MTU and you can start salvage immediately.
Tactics I use is simple:
Arrive, if rats are in range (40 – 50 km) I drop MTU and start orbiting around him at 3-5km. AB on. Launch drone and engage them. I kill frigate first (even triggers) then cruisers, then battleships. If there are two or three separate groups from 70-100km, I drop MTU in the middle of pocket, choose group, choose fattest rat and start orbiting around it, approaching I kill frigate first…see above.
I use drone in aggressive mod (due to JAM) but I manage them while killing frigates and cruisers. If there are stayed only battleships I leave my drone alone. I have 10-15-20 min (nearly 1.5 min per battleship`s kill) so I go for beer, toilet, phone, whatever.
This is safe missioning, but SLOWWWW. Probably Gila is not for blitz (I never tried, how I said I am grasping, my heart starts bleeding if I have to leave loot or whreck in space).
Thus I usually reach 12-15 mil/hour with 5 mil SP pilot.
When I say SLOW it is more feeling than reality I think. Few days ago I bought Raven, just to compare, stuck on them some expensive modules to offset low skills and tried 2-3 missions. Yes, it is faster (but not much or maybe I do something wrong), and frigates are real pain.
My average time per mission (travel/full bounty/loot/salvage):
Scarlet – 1h 15-20 min with 1 re-warp on Badger to grab loot.
World Collide – 2h 20-30 min with 5 re-warps - 3 to drop somewhat loot in nearest hangar, 2 – because my structure starts smoke. Only mission I have to re-warp to save Gila or drones. There are too many elite frigates and elite cruisers in both second pokets, and full agro…. Only once I managed to do this without re-warp.
Assault – 1h, shield before last cruiser be killed usually drops to 24%, no re-warps.
Gone Berserk - ~1h (shield 90%) with 1 re-warp on Badger to grab loot.
Blockade – I have not received yet.

Fly in save!
Selune Starlight
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2015-04-16 13:51:27 UTC
@Schmata Bastanold O.O I have never thought of it that way - I guess we're all part of the same cycle one way or another...it's funny both prey and predator in the same cycle :P

@Yolli Sly Hallo Yolli no need to be so reserved here on the forums - it's anonymous and technically we're all strangers..so fire away :) There is nothing to take wrong/offense at - Actually I should be thanking you for giving experiences/fits/opinions which improve my own gameplay and make my life easier.

Gila is pretty capable - just like Ishtar - everyone keeps on praising this powerful ship. From your fit I can see that it's very powerful but for me I am really anxious about getting ganked - blame it on my prior experiences - so a super "boulder-like" rattlesnake which also has high dps makes me feel comfortable.

I learned after posting in the forums that "Blitzing" means finishing missions fast for LP gain without killing anything more than the required objectives/ships. I am the same as you - I can't really feel comfortable without taking out all enemies and opening/salvaging everything. My hoarder mentality which likes trophies will never let me be at peace otherwise :)
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#44 - 2015-04-16 17:09:13 UTC
Yolli Sly wrote:

My average time per mission (travel/full bounty/loot/salvage):
Scarlet – 1h 15-20 min with 1 re-warp on Badger to grab loot.
World Collide – 2h 20-30 min with 5 re-warps - 3 to drop somewhat loot in nearest hangar, 2 – because my structure starts smoke. Only mission I have to re-warp to save Gila or drones. There are too many elite frigates and elite cruisers in both second pokets, and full agro…. Only once I managed to do this without re-warp.
Assault – 1h, shield before last cruiser be killed usually drops to 24%, no re-warps.
Gone Berserk - ~1h (shield 90%) with 1 re-warp on Badger to grab loot.
Blockade – I have not received yet.

Fly in save!


Omg... those times are horrible! If I would have to spent 1hr on 1 mission and don't get hefty payout I would just stop running L4s. I never had gila so I can't really say anything about your fit but geez, 15 mil/hr from bounties LP and loot? Seems horribly low. Although you say 5mil SP so I guess not everything gila related at V.

But I have same thing with leaving loot behind as you do. I don't salvage though just hoover everything with MTU and leave wrecks. Switching to and flying in my noctis takes too long considering how cheap salvage is.

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Paranoid Loyd
#45 - 2015-04-16 18:00:49 UTC
Confirming those times are horrible and you should go back to running lvl3s, you will make more isk.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2015-04-16 21:52:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Yolli Sly wrote:

My average time per mission (travel/full bounty/loot/salvage):
Scarlet – 1h 15-20 min with 1 re-warp on Badger to grab loot.
World Collide – 2h 20-30 min with 5 re-warps - 3 to drop somewhat loot in nearest hangar, 2 – because my structure starts smoke. Only mission I have to re-warp to save Gila or drones. There are too many elite frigates and elite cruisers in both second pokets, and full agro…. Only once I managed to do this without re-warp.
Assault – 1h, shield before last cruiser be killed usually drops to 24%, no re-warps.
Gone Berserk - ~1h (shield 90%) with 1 re-warp on Badger to grab loot.
Blockade – I have not received yet.

Fly in save!


Omg... those times are horrible! If I would have to spent 1hr on 1 mission and don't get hefty payout I would just stop running L4s. I never had gila so I can't really say anything about your fit but geez, 15 mil/hr from bounties LP and loot? Seems horribly low. Although you say 5mil SP so I guess not everything gila related at V.

But I have same thing with leaving loot behind as you do. I don't salvage though just hoover everything with MTU and leave wrecks. Switching to and flying in my noctis takes too long considering how cheap salvage is.


yeap worlds collide i did in 20 minutes
scarlet i normaly took my time and still did it between 20 and 40 minutes
gone berserk 10 minutes max 15 with full clean
assault normaly 20 minutes with bad jamms up to 40 minutes
blockade i cant say as i declined them without marauder, ewar is rly a ***** there
can say on the other hand my start with a dual repped domi was around that time schmata mentioned.

for cleaning the missions i would chain maybe 5 or 6 and drop an mtu in each and coming back with a 8 salvager II and t2 salvage tackle noctis
Selune Starlight
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2015-04-17 07:34:40 UTC
I guess no matter what ship/fittings we use unless we have the required Skill mastery and proper piloting/target selection we can't fight as well as we want.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#48 - 2015-04-25 14:27:23 UTC
it's also part of the fitting process
what makes 1 fitting better than another is something you learn from tinkering in pyfa/eft and then testing it live
it's the 1 downside to running with suggested fits

you don't learn the WHY it's a good fitting

it's a 5 step process
design, assemble, test, review, repeat

and keep having fun
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2015-04-25 15:36:01 UTC
I like the above post. You should just take a very standard fit and go test it, find out what you don't like about it and fix those parts.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#50 - 2015-04-26 04:14:01 UTC
Nothing will beat the mach for isk/hr in level 4s.
W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2015-04-26 16:16:17 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Nothing will beat the mach for isk/hr in level 4s.


Only if you know how to blitz.
Selune Starlight
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2015-04-27 18:19:53 UTC
@Kitty Bear - Solid advice I want to do it too but sadly can't test all the combinations I want due to RL time issues. I can only play actively for a few hours every week. But I have been trying the suggested fits here and in the forums with my own modifications and it is working well :)

Mach is good but only if the pilot knows how to fly it properly and sadly I skilled in Missiles and Lasers not Projectiles so stuck there
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#53 - 2015-04-28 18:16:11 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Nothing will beat the mach for isk/hr in level 4s.


Only if you know how to blitz.


EVE-survival has blitz guides normally at the bottom, follow then and you will do grandBlink
Rexxorr
Perkone
Caldari State
#54 - 2015-04-29 05:01:09 UTC
Nowadays when running missions ill use a mach, or if I want to loot/salvage, paladin/vargur. For a epic arc ill use a golem.

From time to time I will use a rattlesnake and it will remind me of why I dont use it to run missions.


gl.
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