EVE General Discussion

From reading the thread that now descended into null vs high fight, it seems to me that NPC null has been forgotten in these changed for making null more self sufficient.

I will be writing this thread from the point of view of someone living in syndicate as that's were i live.

First of the doubling of Mega and Zydrine seriously hurt production as while you get a a little more from Jaspet you still have no access to mega at all in NPC null as the truesec is not low enough for many C's let along the A's and B's (in fact only 2 systems in the whole of syndicate.) This is overall a NERF to NPC nullsec production. I would like to point out that most people mine NPC null to build there own ships not for profit, that's what the ice belts are for.

Second, i believe that mining in NPC null is actually more dangerous than mining in Sov space, the reason for this there are vastly more small roaming gangs and plenty of stations for them to hide in when things get to hot, and yet with these changes miners are not being rewarded for this risk they take.

Lastly, while i do consider mining in NPC null to be a draw for pvp, i use all the minerals i get to produce ships to get blown up or sell to other fleet members to get blown up, so its not a carebear activity for me, but it would be nice to know that the developers out there understand that there is more null that just SOV.

Try and keep it on topic please.

As another character that also does all my industry in Syndicate, I already use wormholes to jump to sov space to mine for ores I need that aren't available in Syndicate.

I have at times also just mined additional Jaspet and Crokite, jumped them to highsec and sold them, then bought the minerals I need.

Reprocessing loot from combat sites is a third way to gain access to minerals when I would rather cut a hand off than mine.

It is sometimes difficult to mine in Syndicate and generally much easier to ninja mine in sov space, but that's the consequence of the choice to conduct industry there, offset by the benefits I get from it too.

Yes Syndicate is far from self-sufficient for an industrialist, but that's just part of the challenge that makes it more enjoyable in the long run, at least for me.

Yeah. Save lag. Shift the entire game to wormholes, and delete the rest of the map. The real players don't like it anyway.

Arkonor
Bistot
Crokite

Have always been tied to Truesec, so everything is fine here. Also, do you realise that most of the Sov space don't have ABC ores in their belts either for the same reasons?

More incentive to take, hold, maintain and upgrade space in the barren wasteland that is most nullsec.

http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=71528



Xaxaxa

Nah. Everywhere else is worse. (Not necessarily because of mining.) We like NPC null. So we wish it was better.

In fact, many people like NPC null, proportionally. Behind highsec and lowsec, it's the third most densely populated class of system in EVE. SOV null and C6 WH go back and forth for which class is the fourth most densely populated. (This is based on data CCP Quant posted today. http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/33h7lp/active_characters_by_solar_system_class_album/)

That data seems to be saying something different, if I have read your interpretation correctly.

If I am reading it correctly:

highsec: ~75% of active players

sov null: ~10% of active players

lowsec: ~8.5% of active players

w-space: ~4% of active players

npc null: ~2.5% pf active players

That's combining the first 2 graphs.

Higher density per system, but lower total activity (which is probably what you meant I guess). Sov null certainly feels much more empty than npc null, which is why I ninja there as much as possible. Slower than mining in highsec, but more challenge.

At the same time though, you pay nothing for your space, you have no risk of suddenly being locked out of your space by people flying around with entosis links, and you don't need to defend anything when people come trashing through.

What you are saying here seems to be "I want the benefits of owning space, but I don't want to own space, even though space will soon be easier to own". Sounds legit.

Indeed - when I said " densely populated" I meant players per system, not total amount of players. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough.

We don't have a lot of people, just 2.5% of the player base, but we're all packed into a small area, making for constant action (although smaller scale than the large SOV battles of course.) It's a fun place to live.

While npc null could use a buff, the Mega whine makes no sense. Volume used is so small even after changes, you can easily ship it in a cloaky, which certainly beats mining in npc null if it's there. It's not the same as shipping Trit or Mex.

Well it always seems to me that SOV people seem to feel that combat is only something that happens in huge groups and often get surprised by people just attacking them in less than 10 ships. If we happen to find a sov miner i find it interesting that they take forever to come and help them, if they bother at all, mostly they just hide and hope we will go away, its actually kind of sad really.

But back on topic, I really would not mind these changes if the static belts in NPC null actually re-spawned much like icebelts once you have cleared one, currently it seems that the belts take weeks before they are back to full strength. As i have said before i have 2 miners munching away, mostly without boosts and 9 belts, no one else tends to mine there very often, so i have to ask myself why is it 8 out of the 9 belts have practically no ore in them.

the 9th i leave for others to mine as a cutesy.