Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Campers will love this, that's for sure. Have they been whining? Exactly what "power level" is it you are referring to when it comes to small ships? The power to throw 150 dps round real quick? Or the power to just warp the hell out of everyone and go scan the next system for relic signatures? What a nice word, "power level", btw... fluffy, vague... perfect.

I remember RSBs being nerfed because instalocking was a bit out of hand to a point where you could set a gate camp that nothing would be able to pass. Well, the sig penalty proposed here is one step back, right?

Yes, you can fit your interceptor for fast warping, in accordance with its intended use, but this will now only be an advantage as long as you stay in one system. Because you will be instalocked by any RSB-gang in all your bubble-imuneness glory if you try to go elsewhere.

Are we back to a situation where it is possible to set up a non-escapable camp?


Of course you do.

Well, this goes live on Tuesday and we've had almost zero feedback on our feedback so I guess we're sticking with the signature radius penalty instead of considering the capacitor need to warp penalty (which was a very good idea by Alexis Nightwish).



Maybe in time it will change again.

I am glad this change is come thing through.

There is a similar complaint with battleships but I would prefer they get a stronger tank, maybe a boost to the hull HP or a little to resists.

It is crazy that Tech 3 cruisers manage as much RAW tank as battleships then have sig + speed over them. They also seem to be a bit better than battlecruisers but no where near bridging the gap between battle cruisers and capitals.

You're thinking too narrowly - over a roam of say 20 jumps covering a few hundred AU, that time really starts to adds up. Time the rest of the fleet is kicking its heels waiting on the fatboys.

It's not just about how long it takes to land in combat, it's the basic travel time as well. No-one likes to wait on the fat guy getting up the hill

Hrm, maybe. I already have a quick hurricane I use for cheap links. 6s align, already warps quicker than a cruiser.

Actually as I type this, a blanket reigning in of the cruisers combined with this existing change would make them more desirable to me.

The original reason for the overall change in warp speed as well as the changes in how warp speed affects warp time were meant to create a meaningful change in Eve, and they've obviously succeeded in doing that.

IMO if BCs aren't worth a very slight decrease in Cruiser warp speed then that's a problem with the class, not something that should be rectified by further homogenization. These changes make sense, because there really wasn't enough granular distinction between Cruisers, BCs, and Battleships. Just giving BCs the same warp speed as Cruisers though, is too much.

As before a euro player just needs good enough scan res roundtrip latency and reflexes. If all three are less than 2 seconds total he gets the lock. uncatchable align is a myth.

Lol kil2? Iirc he was employed by CCP as CCP Rise

You guys do understand, the whole point of freuquent releases is to slowly change the game and not do it drastically. So you up BC Warp speed, wait 3 months (skip the next patch) and see how it went, then if it was not enough of a buff you up it again, or up something else entirely. So yeah, this patch SHOULD NOT totally fix BC, it should be one step of a gradual process that fixes them. I think it's a great start.

Your right, this patch alone should not fix BC's, problem is, this patch has no meaning without knowing what comes next. It alone does not make BC's any better or worse to use than they are now.
I preferred the old way of updates and patching. At least with it, Devs posted information about what was coming and it was understandable because it tied into game change. Major changes to game play need to be put into the game together or at least communicated as a whole so players can make valid decisions
This method of rolling individual "patches" and the way CCP is now (not) communicating what is going on, leaves a lot to be desired.

For many years I tried to train characters and adjust game play in preparation for coming changes.. Yes they were major changes and often riddled with problems but at least you had plenty of warning about what was coming and could prepare.
Now, there is no point to planning skills and training based on what is happening in the next patch. There is a big chance, what you decide to train for when XXX update is released will become irrelevant in YYY patch.

Players old and new have made a commitment to the game, often a long term one and need to know what is happening in the game to be able to decide what to train, where to live, who to make enemies of and who you want for friends.
I'm not keeping subs active when I don't know from one month to the next whether it is worth it or not. I've invested a lot of time money and energy into my game and after 7 years, have no idea what to do next.

Right now it is hard to decide whether Eve is still worth playing as I have no idea what direction the game is taking.
People say, "wait and see" but how long do I keep "waiting", playing and paying for a game that has no direction, nothing I can base goals on?


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NB: I have never seen so many good quality well skilled pilots for sale on the character bazaar. Players are dumping characters they have spent years training up, especially capital pilots. Many of them won't sell, unless literally dumped cheap because no-one knows if those pilots will have any use 6 weeks from now, let alone a year or two from now.
This character has made me a lot of isk over the years but is being sold as I just don't know if it will be useful to me anymore and I would rather just pass it on than sit on it and wait to see what happens, six weeks from now.